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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Shldr2Shldr, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    Mines AD worked for CU under Barnett. Great guy.
     
  3. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    There seems to be some kind of arms race in D2 football.

    Adams State just built new facilities...yes that school from Alamosa is doing something about its football program.
    CSU-Pueblo brought back football with a new 10k seat stadium.

    When UNC announced their plan to move to the Big Sky Conference, they also invested a lot of $ in facilities. I would be willing to go on a limb and say that UNC might have the best college football practice facilities in this state without an indoor practice facility. I used to live a block away from those practice facilities and even watched the Broncos when they trained in Greeley.

    I am beginning to wonder if the reason why CU hasn't done jack with facilities could be due to the fact that CU fells that they will have to massively outspend the state's teams for new facilities. Do we really need to spend that much $$$ on new facilities when we could be doing those for less?
     
  4. Shldr2Shldr

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    I think with the simple magnitude of things that they are planning on/needing to do it is just going to be expensive. Plus meeting CU's gorgeous yet extremely strict architectural guidelines is outrageously expensive.
     
  5. Junction

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    Colorado Mesa has also added a lot of upgrades to their facilities the last few years, as part of an overall building boom on campus. They also benefit from a stadium improvement project the city did to both the football and baseball facilities.

    But if CU thinks that they are in any way competing with any of those projects, or could even conceivably get away with copying facility upgrades from Adams ****ing State, they are completely insane. The reason they haven't done jack with facilities is because the projects they are competing with are at other Pac-12 schools. Big time football is expensive, and the haven't been able to line up that kind of money.
     
  6. NashBuff

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    Syracuse is also building one and it's scheduled to be opened for Fall 2014. And they already had the dome but it is about a half mile away from the football facility and is also used for other events.
     
  8. Jerry

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    Has the "bubble" practice field run its course? For a city with 300+ days of sunshine, is it financially prudent to build a facility just for the sake of building one?
     
  9. CUAviator

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    Just because there's 300+ days of sunshine doesn't mean it didn't snow/rain/lightning storm at some point during the day or night before thus jacking up the field. Or that wind isn't blowing 80 miles an hour making any sort of passing or kicking practice useless
     
  10. sackman

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    It's a reasonable question. The answer is "not really, unless you care about attracting recruits who come from warmer climates." Telling a kid from So Cal or Texas that the sun is out 300 days a year is all fine and dandy when he shows up in mid December and it's 20 degrees outside.
     
  11. Duff Man

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    An IPF is essential going forward.
     
  12. InTheBuff

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    fify
     
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    Mines has lots of graduates who are petroleum engineers who have ....ya know...actual well-paying jobs? Besides, most 3A and above Colo HS coachs would be embarrassed to play in Mines' current facility.

    In contrast, CU has lots of "Occupy"-type trustafarians who go home to SoCal and TX and So Illinois after doping up for 6 yrs. They never went to games either.
     
  14. CVilleBuff

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    We need one to keep up with the Joneses. They've become widespread across the Sun Belt states (and I'm not talking about the conference), not just traditional bluebloods. Certainly Colorado is a legitimate weather environment to have an IPF compared to many other locales. The fact that low-tier ACC schools have built them about sums it up.
     
  15. Buffarino

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    Average salary for petroleum engineers fresh out of Mines - over $100k. I'm just saying...
     
  16. Jordanfox

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    I need to fix it

    Don't get too upset, going there and suffering through getting the wrong degree which seemed to be the right one at the time,,never mind,,I am happy for them. I will always be happy to be a Mines Alum and a life long CU fan due to my family.

    Never listen to what people are sure you can do, listen to what your heart and passion tells you to do.
     
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    Despite my handle, I've lived in Alamosa for the last six years. The Adams State stadium was funded as part of a student fee hike proposal passed in 2008 that also included the construction of student housing attached to the stadium as well as the overhaul of other dorms and classrooms. Unlike the Buffs' plans, there was no private fundraising component. CSU-Pueblo, on the other hand, had its main donation for the stadium come from the DeRose family, which includes two former players one of whom now leads the school's foundation.

    While both those are examples of the D-II arms race, they are very obviously on a much smaller scale and spring from a little bit different motivation than you would find at a D-I school. Both Adams and CSU-Pueblo have leaned heavily on athletics (including the addition or return of multiple sports) to build enrollment, something that wouldn't make sense in CU's case.
     
  18. Shldr2Shldr

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    I know that CU will likely never have this kind of donor, but Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins and Real Estate Tycoon, just donated 200mil to the University of Michigan. $100M to the school of business $100M to the AD.

    Does CU just not have alumni that are successful enough to donate that kind of cash, or is our alumni base just unwilling to donate?
     
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    Oh, CU has that kind of alumni. I've mentioned Steve Ells before. He might not be in a position to donate $200MM, but he could definitely throw a few mill at the school if he wanted to. You also have guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone, who I think view CU as kind of a butt for their jokes. The jokes are funny, don't get me wrong, but it would still be nice if they could, you know, help a guy out. I suspect there are several people who are less well-known who also have the ability, just not the inclination, to donate that kind of money.
     
  20. sliderNcider

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    I think Parker/Stone are both worth $150mil each. Solich is probably our only billionaire donor
     
  21. sackman

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    Forbes reported that Steve Ells 2011 compensation was just shy of $20MM.

    I'm not going to bother looking into his net worth. It's a useless number without context. I'm not sure why people get so hung up on net worth. Unless you know what the underlying assets are, the net worth is just a number.

    I only bring up Ells because he's a guy I actually know personally. Of course, he'd never admit to knowing me. :lol:
     
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    An article I just read reports that South Park brings in $25M annually (2012) in advertisement revenue. I am guessing that Trey and Matt see about half of that.

    For reference here is a list of notable alumni from our business school


     
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    My unfair, nonPC, and uniformed suspicion is that some CU graduates might have parents who are mega successful.

    But daddy's success doesn't always transfer to the younger generation.

    The younger generation with the trust fund may not throw tens of millions of dollars around like daddy does. Daddy writes tuition checks to CU and big donations to his alma matter.

    The kid with the CU diploma has a comfortable job, a nice home, foreign travel, and pursuits more in tune with Boulder values, like spending discretionary cash on enjoying the great outdoors and other quality of life activities. They may prioritize giving to the Red Cross or Peace Corps over the football stadium. CU gets three or four or five figures, not six or seven.

    My other working theory is that CU is missing out on petro dollars. State law gives School of Mines permission to crank out petroleum engineers, but not CU. Solich and Benson are the exception. If the voters and politicans knew what was best for CU, they'd allow CU to replicate the the School of Mines curriculum in Boulder.

    CU is legally excluded from granting petroleum engineering degrees and is somewhat left out of the world's biggest money industry.

    So instead it has to make due churning out lawyers, accountants, astronauts and other government employees, middle managers, technology geeks, and small business owners.
     
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    Having the Colorado name screws us. They contribute less and less, but still hamstring us with rules. Screw them.
     
  25. Jerry

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    State of finances in Michigan is beyond ****ty. I am glad they're getting the help they need especially on the academic side.
     
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    Considering that Stephen Ross is a disaster of an owner, I'm not sure you want him buying big time influence into your AD.

    Then again, $100 mill is hard to turn down.
     
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    Once I pay off my student loans and move up past an entry level position then maybe I will look at it. Tough to donate $25,000,000 when you graduated 4 months ago...
     
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