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OOC Completed Thoughts/Adjustment to Original Conference Record

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Flatirons2, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Flatirons2

    Flatirons2 New Member

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    Originally I figured 12-6 primarily due to two factors Youth & Road history. Having watched all of the OOC games and many PAC12 games I'm revising to 13-5. The level of comp through the OOC will serve CU well over the long haul as well as Boyle's rotations for subbing in the Frosh at opportune times. A couple of unknowns at the start of the season have cleared a bit as well as seeing some development in player roles being established.
    1) I believe Ski is actually beginning to find his role and being more selective with his shots
    2) Spencer appears to be putting up a few more 3's which will open his game up even further.
    3) Josh Scott is bank from the FT line (still needs more finishing resolve)
    4) Hopkins, Fletcher & Thomas don't seem to have any qualms about shooting
    5) King in 1/2 the minutes of the above has many or more rebounds than any of the three
    6) Johnson appears to be the wild card on a per game basis

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    In response

    1) Ski, I think has always known his role, his shots are falling now though. He has made the adjustment to square up to the basket before most of his shots and it is paying off. We need his fearlessness when it comes to shooting.

    2) Spencer has shown he can take over a game when he wants too and that doesn't mean more shots. I wish he would do it more often, he could be averaging 25pts a game if he wanted to.

    3) Scott needs to keep up the hot shooting from the stripe, he becomes a lethal weapon when he can score from the field or from the line.

    4/5) The freshman need to get better and more consistent, time for learning is up. Time to step up and make an impact.

    6) Johnson just needs to play his game. He is a monster when the lights are brightest, I hope he can become more consistent with conference play beginning

    Conference Schedule

    OSU W
    OU W
    @WSU W
    @UW W
    USC W
    UCLA W
    @UA L
    @ASU W
    UU W
    WSU W
    UW W
    @UCLA L
    @USC W
    ASU W
    UA W
    @UU L
    @Stanford W
    @Cal L


    I could see us going 14-4. Obviously probably a little too optimistic, but I just can't see us losing at home. Also this year there seems to be a clear definition between the upper half and the lower half of the conference so some picks are easier than others. I think that road stretch at the end of the season hurts us a bit and we lose a couple we shouldn't to finish out the season.

    That conference record would put us at 25-6 and probably set us up for a 2 or 3 seed in the Pac-12 tournament and likely a top 5 seed in the NCAA.
     
  3. jgisland

    jgisland Club Member Club Member

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    4) and King, he's 2nd on the team (behind Ski) in shots per minute

    5) i think I'm the only guy that isn't disappointed in XJ, he started slow last year and this year he's had some up and down games but I there are a lot of solid pieces on this team and there aren't going to be a lot of plays run for him, his rebound and put back opportunities are also going to be limited when he's in the game with Wes and Scott. So his scoring is going to have to com in transition or beating his guy off the dribble of hitting 3s. If you look at his numbers: His offensive rating is up, his assist rate is up, TO rate down, FT rate is up, FT % is up and his stl % is up. The only thing that is really down is his 3pt %, but sustaining a 44% 3pt rate was going to be tough, his 36% is hardly anything to be angry with.
     
  4. Ruckus

    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    Already kinda gave my thoughts on this in the Georgia game thread. Will go back and repost here or type something new later if I have time.
     
  5. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm with you on X. Not only all of the above, but he's been guarding some of our opponents best players every game. Spencer gets love for being a shut down defender, and so does Wes, but XJ has been our best defensive player this year IMO - especially when you consider that he's had to do the Dre assignment of taking on everything from big men to shooting guards.
     
  6. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    The only truly disappointing game from XJ that I recall was the CSU game. He fouled out with zero points. Guh. Otherwise, he's fluctuated between pretty good and awesome.
     
  7. whatthebuff

    whatthebuff Club Member Club Member

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    I think it's important to start the first 6 games off strong (at least 5-1) because the last 7 look very tough. Five out of 7 on the road while the 2 AZ teams come to Boulder.
     
  8. jwhite17

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    14-4 is really optimistic considering how much Boyle's teams have struggled on the road against mediocre to bad teams. We are still super young at most positions, and our offense is heavily reliant on free throws, which we won't get as many on the road.

    Even playing the bad teams, we have trouble with (at Utah last year). I would take 12-6 with losing one at home (probably Oregon or Arizona) and going 4-5 on the road. Anything more than that would be sweet but should not be expected with our youth issues and lack of 3pt shooting.

    As for the original poster's thoughts:

    1) If Ski can stay balanced and take good shots, I think we all can agree that Ski is what we want. He has been doing a better job of that in the last two games, hopefully it continues.

    2) Spencer will do whatever the team needs, but he is a team first guy and his stats reflect that. He would rather get everyone involved and then if needed, he would take over a game. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

    3) Scott is our best offensive player, and I really want our players to feed him more because it will open up our offense even more because of other teams double teaming him.

    4) I like each of those guys, but none have risen up and seperated from the pack.

    5) King can definitely rebound better than any frosh, but the rest of his game needs improvement. I really like his potential, and I wish he could have redshirted, but alas, being thrown in the fire is good for his development next year.

    6) XJ is a enigma, a true X factor. If he is on, we are really tough to beat because he can do so many things well. Rebound, defend, make threes, dunks, tenacious, etc. He is still adjusting to his role, but he thrives on the big game stage.

    6)
     
  9. MarkW

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    I feel another "X factor" is defense. The Buffs seem to have struggled with it a bit during non-conference play. Some of that may be due to the new rules emphases on not using hands, but still it is a bit of an issue. During much of the Georgia game and the Okie State game the defense struggled to consistently get stops. The young guys in particular have to understand how important D is in getting wins, especially on the road.

    Another piece to the puzzle is getting consistent points from the bench, which primarily will consist of three true freshmen and a sophomore.
     
  10. BuffClass90

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    Don't follow as closely as football, but this team is much better than I thought.
     
  11. 89BUFF89

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    While I hope/expect the team continues to improve, especially the defense and the freshmen off the bench, I can't predict any better than 12-6 conference record. It is tough to win on the road in the PAC and I am sure this team will struggle at times to score when Mayor is out of the game. We will probably drop at least one home game we don't expect to as well.

    OSU W
    OU L
    @WSU W
    @UW W
    USC W
    UCLA W
    @UA L
    @ASU L
    UU W
    WSU W
    UW W
    @UCLA L
    @USC W
    ASU W
    UA W
    @UU W
    @Stanford L
    @Cal L
     
  12. Da Lama

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    12-6. We don't match up well against UCLA and they seem to get in our head. The trip to Arizona will be rough. I have this uneasy feeling we kind of limp home at the end of the conference slate.

    OSU W
    OU W
    @WSU W
    @UW W
    USC W
    UCLA L
    @UA L
    @ASU L
    UU W
    WSU W
    UW W
    @UCLA L
    @USC W
    ASU W
    UA W
    @UU L
    @Stanford L
    @Cal W
     
  13. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    We matchup so badly with UCLA that KenPom has us at 67% win odds


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  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Bruins make me nervous. So much offensive skill on that team that they can shoot us out of the gym if we're not careful.
     
  15. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    No doubt, it's still a game we should take at home though
     
  16. sackman

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    UCLA remains the only conference team we haven't beaten. I really want that game. And yeah, they scare me, too.
     
  17. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Some points:

    you know those numbers are dynamic right?

    67% is the standard win% for a home team in conference play

    We will not have an answer for Kyle Anderson
     

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