...and the 15 months after that. MikMac isn't going anywhere.
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You are being kind. He is actually averaging 2 conference wins a year. and we had that one special year or it would be 1
ahoelsken
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Let's see where we're at in a month. If its 5-7, he's gone. Period.
nannybumpkins
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As a fan I can't remember the last time I was this tired of this team. I'm tired of explaining and reasoning about why we fall apart. I love the Buffs and I will always stay involved week to week. But after this one, it's hard to try to get back into this season
I think I remember him yelling at Jack Colletto after the pick 6 which seemed weird, but it didn’t appear to be too out of the ordinary.
WarBuff
Club Member
Thanks, I rarely look to the East side and so it was news to me.
seattlebuff
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Yes, no doubt, we have tons of glaring issues on this team (pitiful playcalling, porous inexperienced OL. garbage CBs, soft head coach) ... but the more I think about this, I want to believe that the second half Saturday was more a fluke, perfect storm thing ... their QB was absolutely unconscious, making EVERY SINGLE big throw he had to make into often tight windows. How often do you see a college QB never miss? He was Rogers/Brady level accurate in crunch time. And OSU is 51st in the country in scoring offense, so its not like they can't score (37 vs WSU, 31 vs Ohio St.). Combine that with inept CU playcalling, a blocked FG, insane momentum (can't be understated in the college game) and a worn out demoralized defense, and .... well, we see what happened.
I don't think the sky is falling. I think our record (and subsequently, our expectations) were greatly inflated by a soft early schedule, and we were never that good to start with. We lose VERY little next year that matters, we'll be better for sure, barring major injuries. I think MM deserves through next year ... anything less than 8 wins though and we should move on.
All that said ... I still strongly believe we go 0-4 from here, mainly because the schedule is stacked against us. If we had either AZ or Cal at home, I might feel optimistic. But we are an awful road team and they're both playing far better than us right now. And forget WSU or Utah ... far superior talent and coaching.
I don't think the sky is falling. I think our record (and subsequently, our expectations) were greatly inflated by a soft early schedule, and we were never that good to start with. We lose VERY little next year that matters, we'll be better for sure, barring major injuries. I think MM deserves through next year ... anything less than 8 wins though and we should move on.
All that said ... I still strongly believe we go 0-4 from here, mainly because the schedule is stacked against us. If we had either AZ or Cal at home, I might feel optimistic. But we are an awful road team and they're both playing far better than us right now. And forget WSU or Utah ... far superior talent and coaching.
Help me out here. Trying to understand the thought process behind joining a message board for a team at their lowest moment, expressively for the purpose of posting about that moment.
Not being a dick. Sincerely curious as to what that is about. To me, I am a fan of a team, or whatever, and I like them enough that I am moved to find other fans of that team to talk with and get information from. I can't imagine how experiencing one of the lowest moments in a team's history would be the catalyst for me wanting to create an account and post on a board. I read this board every day, and I can barely stand to be around it at times like this.
Is it just that misery loves company?
Are you trying to get out of having to fetch sammiches?
this is actually normal based upon my purely anecdotal observations-- when we get out of the bell curve on expected wins or losses, we get a bunch of new posters. also, when anything big happens-- hirings, firings, conference changes, controversy, etc.
Maybe part of the problem is that MM doesn't seem to be.
When you have the right coach a loss like this one results in some kind of significant response. He is angry, he is making changes, he is unpleasant to be around. He is taking responsibility but he is also holding people accountable. We see changes in starting line-ups, we see changes in play calling.
The response might even be a little irrational and it may be apologized for later in the week but the competitiveness of the coach will show through, the unwillingness to accept losing when there is no reason to lose.
We aren't getting that from MM. Losing a game like this doesn't bother him enough, just like losing quality recruits from the state of Colorado doesn't bother him enough, or having coaches who don't put in the work to recruit doesn't bother him enough.
Bill McCartney lost a lot of games in his first few years but they were games he should have lost, the other team was better. Once he had the program where he wanted it to be he was not a pleasant man to be around the week after a loss he didn't think we should have lost.
I don't know them but I am pretty sure the same can be said for Meyer, for Sabin, for the other coaches who are regularly competing for the big prizes.
I've gone back through all of the drives (because I hate my life) - and what I remembered seeing at the game is actually true:
Every time we had a play go for 15+ yards, the next play is a run up the middle.
MAX gain on any single play: 4 yds. Avg gain: 2 yds.
Every
Single
Time
If I can see it from the stands, you KNOW any D COORD out there can see it on tape.
Every time we had a play go for 15+ yards, the next play is a run up the middle.
MAX gain on any single play: 4 yds. Avg gain: 2 yds.
Every
Single
Time
If I can see it from the stands, you KNOW any D COORD out there can see it on tape.
Mediocre Mike has always seemed apathetic and listless on the sidelines. I do wish he were a little more animated at times.
King_George_XXIV_Rules
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Yup, and losing the game is the reason why the bowl-eligibility probability dropped from about 99.9% prior to the game, to 79% after the game.
And those guys I mentioned would carry the mad through for days (usually until they had a satisfying win to override the loss.)
The postgame stuff from MM seemed was to much like "Well we did this and this and lost, Oh well, let's see what happens next week." If Sabin had lost a game like that one the Monday morning media session would have been with a guy working hard not to boil over.
At the Pro level but in the championship years Shanny was the same way. The media never know what to expect in the media time after a bad loss but they didn't want to miss it because he would be burning inside.
I like Mike MacIntyre and want to see him win. He knows the game, his kids and his coaches like him, he seems like a standup guy who cares about people and about doing things the right way.
At this point though I am just questioning if he has the passion, the fire, to win that distinguishes the mediocre coaches from the champions. Is winning important enough to him for him to hold his staff accountable, to drive himself and his players to the next level.
Increasingly it is looking like he accepts good enough instead insisting on excellence.
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yes, this has been a known tendency all year. basically, what i think they are doing is that when they have a big gainer, they have an auto call next play (run up the middle) so that they can get to the LOS and go fast in the hope that they will catch the defense gassed or out of position. this is not working.
Don't worry, you'll transition to the "bargaining" stage soon. You'll know you're there when you start posting stuff like, "eh, it's just a football game. I'm just glad KD Nixon had a breakout game!"
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i am not buying the "mm lacks fire" line of argument. there is a difference between letting up too soon and lacking fire or whatever. plus, if you go back through their comeback, it isn't like we were playing soft. they adjusted at the half and attacked our weaknesses. we did not respond well.
some of it is fixable-- the o-line is now very young. some of it is not as fixable-- we are short on corners and we now don't have the rotation depth on the dl we started the season with.
some of it is scheme. the "my guy can beat your guy 1:1 at the LOS" doesn't work unless you have more than 1 skill guy who routinely beats his guy athletically. and, the sell-out defense doesn't work if your corners can't lock down on the back end.
some of it intangibles. 2 tough losses in a row and then this big let-down. that's sometimes hard to read going into the game.
i honestly think we can win any of the last 4 games. i also think we can lose any of the 4 last games. sadly, it feels like we are trending down not up.
some of it is fixable-- the o-line is now very young. some of it is not as fixable-- we are short on corners and we now don't have the rotation depth on the dl we started the season with.
some of it is scheme. the "my guy can beat your guy 1:1 at the LOS" doesn't work unless you have more than 1 skill guy who routinely beats his guy athletically. and, the sell-out defense doesn't work if your corners can't lock down on the back end.
some of it intangibles. 2 tough losses in a row and then this big let-down. that's sometimes hard to read going into the game.
i honestly think we can win any of the last 4 games. i also think we can lose any of the 4 last games. sadly, it feels like we are trending down not up.
Sorry, this doesn't hold water with me. Assuming MikMac and staff have been trying to fix the OL problem, they have been a miserable failure, starting three frosh in year six on the OL tells me they have utterly failed to field and develop a proper OL.
i agree. just thinking that all these frosh ol playing are likely to get better. well, maybe more of a hope than a thought.
aghcsm
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I recall 2014 and 2015 being years of great frustration where we came close so many times but wound up with losing records. Multiple OT losses. It’s like the missing ‘killer instinct’ ruined both seasons but at the time we didn’t realize it was systemic.
1. Pre-season, I was a mac hater. I thought this was a 4-5 win team. Many of you convinced me to give him a chance this year. I did.
2. I jumped on the train. I started feeling excitement about this team.
3. The usc and udub games were disappointments because they were both winnable. Yet, being 5-2 was okay because we had games that were winnable.
4. We weren’t great against oregon state. Yet, we had a 4 TD lead. We hit the 1H team total over. Things were going well enough.
5. Then, we had a horror show of a 2H against one of the worst teams in the FBS. The 2H/OT against oregon state put us in a tailspin.
6. In looking at the last four teams on our schedule, I see four teams trending up. They’ve overcome bad games with really good ones. We have not done that.
7. Like the kansas debacle with hawkins, the oregon state debacle is the death knell. The AD may not be able to afford a buy-out this year. Barring winning the P12 this year or next, he is dead man walking.
We’ve hit the ceiling with macintyre, unfortunately. The only question is how and when we’ll respond.
2. I jumped on the train. I started feeling excitement about this team.
3. The usc and udub games were disappointments because they were both winnable. Yet, being 5-2 was okay because we had games that were winnable.
4. We weren’t great against oregon state. Yet, we had a 4 TD lead. We hit the 1H team total over. Things were going well enough.
5. Then, we had a horror show of a 2H against one of the worst teams in the FBS. The 2H/OT against oregon state put us in a tailspin.
6. In looking at the last four teams on our schedule, I see four teams trending up. They’ve overcome bad games with really good ones. We have not done that.
7. Like the kansas debacle with hawkins, the oregon state debacle is the death knell. The AD may not be able to afford a buy-out this year. Barring winning the P12 this year or next, he is dead man walking.
We’ve hit the ceiling with macintyre, unfortunately. The only question is how and when we’ll respond.
You can see it. I can see it. Our opponents damn sure can see it.
Why can't Chev?
Is he being told to run clock, or is he just dumb?
How hard is it to say: " That played just got us 23 yds and the SAME defense is still on the field, this 1 time, let's RUN IT AGAIN"?
Play action out of it once a ****ing game and score. This isn't ****ing rocket science.
Can confirm: our fellow season ticket holder (who sits to our right) saw this happen and told us about it. So there was at least some anger on the sidelines.
I saw HCMM yelling at Tony. However, the replay clearly showed he was interferred with on the play. Db was grabbing his arm. Also, HCMM was yelling at Wigley after the Pick 6. That one made even less sense.