Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by MCskid, Nov 20, 2012.
duke unc UVA and FSU
I think you are right that we are sooner or later headed for Pac 16+. But I HIGHLY doubt we would add East coast schools. Scheduling, travel, time zone issues are too significant. I'd assume mountain states and traditional Big 12 states like Texas, OK, etc. are in play
You're right about UVA and UNC looking down on the SEC. I've seen it/heard it numerous times. This is a case where academics DO play a role. Only absolute desperation would lead them to take that leap.
And, for the millionth time, to properly understand the dynamic, if UVA and VT were to part ways, it would have to include them both landing in very stable conferences. There will be no UVA jumping elsewhere and leaving VT behind in a collapsing ACC. They are joined at the hip unless one can go SEC and one B1G.
You all need to shut your dirty whore mouths. The Pac 12 is perfect the way it is. There is no reason to expand beyond what we have currently. Seriously. No reason.
No.....there will come a time for it unfortunately
BCS your sig pic expresses my sentiments regarding any P12 expansion
No there will NOT.
OK, beyond being childish about this, there really isn't a good reason to expand. The Pac 12 already dominates two time zones. There's really no reason to get into the muck of the Eastern and/or Central time zones. We have the Western US all to ourselves. We own it. No need to dilute the per-school payout by adding more teams. There aren't any schools that would add substantially to the prestige of the league, so I don't see any reason whatsoever to expand beyond 12. If the whole reason is "because everybody else did it", then that's a ridiculously stupid reason.
I understand your argument but I think it is lacking in understanding the business side of this. It only comes down to $ and the power to negotiate the best deals for TV, bowl games, etc. The more teams from more big market regions increases negotiating leverage for the Larry Scott's of the world.
When another conference goes bigger than us, they have more power to negotiate. It's all about the mighty $. If I were a betting man, I'd say the Scott sooner or later is going into Texas. Maybe or maybe not for UT (Kind of hope not). That is a huge market for TV, plus increases the conferences ability to recruit texas as well.
Doubt it would dilute the per school payout if big tv markets are added. Obviously the ones that would be talked about are Texas and Okie markets which would bring a crap ton of TV dollars with it. Not saying I want expasion though.
Don't think they will go Atlantic because it would too hard to schedule for TV. UNC versus Colorado in basketball would finish at midnight.
Texas, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Kansas.
I have always agreed with Sacky on this one. I don't think the Pac 12 should do anything until it decides that it wants to. Hell, the Big 12 is at 10 teams and they are about as legit as ever.
Are you out of your f**king mind? Texas?!? Notre Dame?!? GTFO with that sh*t.
We're making plenty of money. We don't need to sell our souls for an extra mill or two. This discussion sickens me.
How about an extra $10 or $15 million
The Big 12 is going to survive this.
The Big East is dead, and the ACC seems to be the one that's weakest. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 adding schools like Ga Tech, Va Tech, etc, and eventually grow to 16 as well.
I really think the Pac is going to be boxed out geographically. We're going to be left looking at schools like UNLV and UNM.
which brings the question .... Should the PAC 12 get aggressive and offer schools they may want (Texas, OU ) or should they sit idle and have to settle for
UNLV, NM, BSU, ?
Boxed out geographically? This is bizarro world, where a conference that owns half the country is "boxed out".
texas/nd ain't gonna happen. the bsu's, unlv's, nm's don't do a thing for the pac. larry wanted 16 teams to begin with. i don't think he is going to sit on his hands and watch the big 10/sec/big 12 go to 16 and lose finical ground to them. that's why i think the best option would be to take fsu,gt,nc an uva. football is driving this stupidity so bring them in for fb only. they could park the rest of their sports with the bb only schools of the big east.
My God. Seriously?
I have yet to see anybody who can demonstrate how we would "lose ground" by not expanding. We don't lose anything. Let the SEC and the Big 10 dilute their brand. We don't need to.
yeah seriously. when the big 10 adds nd and bc to go along with maryland/rutgers they add another 15-20 mil per team. the pac has the biggest tv contract and cu is broke as a joke. we can't fire our coach, build any facilities. loosing ground would be a major step up for us.
Explain to me why the Pac 12 needs to go to 16 teams if the Big 10 does.
I don't want to expand. I'd rather stand pat, and be glad we got the hell out of the Big 12 before everything went crazy.
But at some point you have to look at things realistically. I can't imagine Larry Scott is cool with everyone going to 16 and us sitting at 12. I am also sure that he's going to try to be proactive. My thought, and probably Larry's concern, is that the Big 12 is thinking the same way as us. Bob Bowlsby or whoever he is has to be thinking that Larry's going to go after UT et al again soon, but also that UT et al prefer the Big 12 to the Pac. As long as he can ensure the survival of the conference, they're going to stay.
So the question becomes, what is Larry going to do, and how much success will he have? I don't want us inviting New Mexico, UNLV, etc just because everyone else is at 16 and our TV contract starts falling behind. I don't want us letting UT bend us over either. It's a real interesting game that just started.
Larry's floated the idea of expansion to 16 twice now. Maybe the better explanation needs to be why anyone would think he's not going to continue to think about it, especially when it's clear that this is the direction we're all headed.
Sackman is 100% correct. No need to expand when you own half the country already.
Some of you are not reading the writing on the wall or on this forum because others, myself included have articulated that this is an arm's race. Those with more teams (presuming the majority are good) in more markets have more negotiating power when it comes to TV deals, bowl games, etc. Also increases the footprint of the conference making it easier to recruit in those new states.
When other conferences expand in size and geography they grow in power and influence relative to other conferences. Thus, if others are going to expand the odds that Larry Scott sits on his hands and watches others pass the Pac 12 by is slim to none.
It's an arms race for the SEC, B10, B12, ACC, etc. Not for us. They are all fighting for pieces of the East and Central time zones and those markets. We don't need those markets. I will say it again - we already control half the country. No need to expand.
why are you trying to convince us that geography is more important than population. This is about media markets not natural resources. The biggest media markets are back east only 2 of the top 10 and 6 of the top 25 are in the current PAC:12 footprint, basically anything west of the Colorado/Kansas border.
If you can take Texas, then you add two more to the top 10.
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