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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Bornabuff, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. Bornabuff

    Bornabuff Club Member Club Member

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    It seems that the consensus of the board is that Hawk and company need to be let go, but at what time is up for debate. What are the pros and cons to terminating him during the season vs. after the season? Recruiting would be one I can think of. Discuss.
     
  2. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    I can't see any con to cutting him loose now. It would give the Buffs the jump on finding someone at the end of the season. They owe him the money either way, so that's not what is holding them back.
     
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    Who let you out of the arcade?
     
  4. sackman

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    You have to keep in mind that you're going to be looking for a new coach. You don't want that guy to think you'd can him mid-season. It's about professional courtesy in that situation. You want to give Hawk all the rope he needs to hang himself.

    End of season, with the caveat that the hire is made quickly. You need to be looking at guys right now in order to get somebody hired on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. That's the best way to salvage recruiting.
     
  5. Buff fanatic

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    :yeahthat:
     
  6. Bornabuff

    Bornabuff Club Member Club Member

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    :lol: I haven't been in there in over two months.
     
  7. Bornabuff

    Bornabuff Club Member Club Member

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    That makes sense, but at what cost to the morale of the team?
     
  8. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    I'm a lot more worried about saving the recruiting class and getting the guy we want than I am about the new guy thinking he might lose his job mid-season. Hell, if you're a new hire you look at Hawk's record and see that so long as you show promise, you can get extended even if you never have a winning season. You also see that he got 4 years to show what he can do even though his career winning % is abysmal.
     
  9. sackman

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    The morale of the team is going to be in the crapper regardless of whether a change is made now or at the end of the season. Where you have a real problem is if they keep Hawkins into next season. That will kill team morale completely.

    I don't expect that if they make a change now that there would be any difference in the W/L record between now and the end of the year. The only thing that canning Hawk now does is placate the masses who are screaming for his head on a platter.
     
  10. sackman

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    Most of the guys we'd want wouldn't be available mid-season anyway. Charlie Strong, for instance, isn't going to get a release from Florida to take over CU in the middle of a national championship hunt.
     
  11. Buffarino

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    I disagree. It also gives them the jump on looking for a new coach and they can be in position to offer the guy they want before other teams.
     
  12. Bornabuff

    Bornabuff Club Member Club Member

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    Would you not agree that recruiting can benefit from an in-season termination as well?
     
  13. Buffarino

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    Correct, but CU can be ready on their end before the other teams can. It might make no difference, or it might make all the difference, I dunno. But I do know a lot goes into a decision like this and it might help CU be ready to offer before another school who waits until the end of the season.

    EDIT: Basically, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see any downside to doing it now. Will it actually help anything? I don't know. But I don't see how it can hurt.
     
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  14. FlatironsBuff

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    I think the benefit is then the other coaches and audition for their jobs without interference from Hawk. The main person to benefit from this would be Keisau and Ambrose I would think. Would slow down comits a bit, as they would be waiting to see who we hire, but the right hire will have the right kids coming in and even jumping ship from other schools.

    I say do it now. I will volunteer if Bohn doesn't want to do it.:cool:
     
  15. InTheBuff

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    I'd fire Hawk once it's a fact that Colorado won't have a winning regular season record.
     
  16. Clean Undies

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    Re: Timing.

    A week after the 2010 Spring Game.

    This isn't the date that I would want, but it's about what I'd expect.

    CU is the type of bureaucracy that is not inclined to act quickly and decisively when there are absolutely no laws being broken.
     
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    I would not agree with this statement.
     
  18. Buffnik

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    Hawkins is a professional and he'd be a good soldier just like Ty Willingham was last year if it was announced he'd be terminated at the end of the season. Based on how that went, I can't imagine going that direction. Then there's the Clemson example. Terminating and putting their guy in place mid-season didn't do a thing to save last season and they're doing no better this year despite the best talent in the ACC.

    So I'm convinced the old school approach is best. Bohn should announce that everyone is evaluated after every season. Make it clear that no changes will now, or ever, be made during a season under his watch. Take the time to gauge the interest and suitability of potential replacements on the sly during the season. Then pull the trigger as soon as the season's over if that's the decision.
     
  19. zbuff

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    No. You're not going to get a good coach to leave his team in the middle of a season, and you're not going to get good recruiting with a placeholder coach.
     
  20. Bornabuff

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    I agree with what you're saying, but I should have worded the question as: Would recruiting suffer less from an in season termination?
     
  21. Hank

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    Sorry to nitpick, Boner, but what is the difference between "can benefit" and "suffer less"?
     
  22. Bornabuff

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    :lol: In the first question I was implying that there could be an improvement in recruiting following an in-season termination, or not. Whereas if Hawk stays, and the season trend continues, I see no room for improvement, only further damage (pure speculation). But to answer your question, no, there isn't a difference. Are you a lawyer or something?:smile2: Boner???
     
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  23. BuffMania

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    I'm with you on this 100%...
     
  24. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member

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    :nod:...:sorry:

    Spent some time in Massachusetts. Bonah-Buff.
     

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