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Rank the PAC-12 coaches

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Mine:

    1. Mike Riley
    2. David Shaw
    3. Rich Rodriguez
    4. Jim Mora, Jr.
    5. Mike MacIntyre
    6. Todd Graham
    7. Sonny Dykes (tie)
    7. Steve Sarkisian (tie)
    9. Mark Helfrich
    10. Mike Leach
    11. Kyle Whittingham
    12. Lane Kiffin
     
  2. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    MacIntyre pretty high there.
     
  3. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    Not as high as Duffman! Hey yo!
     
  4. CUFan

    CUFan Welcome back Club Member

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    At first glance that list of guys is not exactly impressive. I thought we were in a coaching arms race in the PAC?
     
  5. KingPants

    KingPants Club Member Club Member

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    1. Shaw
    2. Riley

    Good god, they start to get average in a hurry...

    3.Mora
    4 Graham
    5.Rodriguez
    6.MacIntyre
    7.Sark
    8.Dykes
    9.Helfrich (no idea what to expect here. They could go 10-2, but that may not mean he is a great coach)
    10.Whittingham (3 years ago, he would have been at 2 or 3)
    11.Kiffikins
    12. Leach

    The last two have always been overrated in my opinion. Leach has been dominated by some of the worst CU teams in history.
     
  6. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I don't think it's appropriate to rank guys who have never coached in the conference. Dykes and MacIntyre are unknowns at this point, IMO, and shouldn't be on the list.
     
  7. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    what are we ranking on? pure coaching ability? or likelihood of succeeding at their current gig? or what?

    on pure coaching ability based upon proven performance to date:

    1. the pirate
    2. rich rod
    3. riley
    4. sark
    5. mora
    6. shaw
    7. dykes
    8. helfrich
    9. mm
    10. whittingham
    11. graham
    12. kiffin
     
  8. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    1. Riley
    2. Shaw
    3. Rich Rod
    4. Mora
    5. MacIntyre
    6. Sarkisian
    7. Dykes
    8. Graham
    9. Helfrich
    10. Wittingham
    11. Leach
    12. Kiffin
     
  9. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Shaw
    Riley





    Mora
    Rich Rod
    Sarkisian
    Leach
    Graham
    Wittingham
    Kiffin

    Can't rank Mac, Dykes or Helfrich yet.
     
  10. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    There is no way I can put Leach above Shaw or Riley in terms of proven results. He produced great offense at TT, sabotaged by horrific defense. Last year at Wazzu didn't exactly do anything to get me excited. I would also say that in terms of proven HC ability, MM and Graham, at least have to rank ahead of Helfrich. Possibly also Whittingham.

    My ranking right now would be:

    1. Riley
    2. Shaw (if he can keep going once Harbaugh's players are gone, he moves to #1)
    3. Mora (UCLA got better on the field and killed in recruiting. Prospects much brighter than his U Dub stint at this point)
    4. Rich Rod
    5. Sark
    6. Leach
    7. Dykes
    8. MM
    9. Graham (points deducted for probability of hightailing it out of Tempe in the dead of night, and soon)
    10. Whittingham
    11. Helfrich
    12. John McKay's rotting corpse
    13. Jim Harbaugh's drying spittle on the Stanfurd sidelines
    14. Kiffy
     
  11. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    Kiffy at 14 seems a bit high, you may want to re-evaluate your rankings and move him down a couple.
     
  12. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    On further evaluation, I think I forgot Don James' old purple windbreaker and the shadow of Chip Kelly. So good call, mdp, move lil' Lane down to 16...
     
  13. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    Sounds about right, I had him just before Embree's water bottle and below Dennis Erickson in general.
     
  14. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I think we can agree that Ty Willingham still ranks at the bottom, right?
     
  15. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    Buddy Teevens disagrees.
     
  16. rynobuff

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    Hate to say it... but after the next year or two we will be saying Mora is the best coach in the conference.
     
  17. J.R. Ewing

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    It's funny that Riley's seat was the hottest 6 months ago.
     
  18. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Nah. If he is that good then he will already be gone.
     
  19. BuffUp

    BuffUp W.T.T.F. Club Member

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    If he hasn't gone back to the pro's by then?
     
  20. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    is it true that kiffin snorted blow off the arses of craig james' dead hookers using the murder weapon as a spoon? allegedly.
     
  21. azbuff

    azbuff Club Member Club Member

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    In order of who I would hire if we had a vacancy:

    1. Shaw
    2. Sark
    3. Mora
    4. Riley
    5. Helfrich
    6. HCMM
    7. RichRod
    8. Willingham
    9. Dykes
    10. Graham
    11. Leach
    12. Kiffin

    Kiffin is last only because he would leave us in such bad shape with the NCAA we would NEVER recover.
     
  22. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    What is the ranking criteria?

    I agree that it is hard to rank some of the coaches that have not coached before - it is also hard to evaluate guys like Rich Rod, Leach and Graham who still do not have their system in place. How much do you factor in recruiting?

    It seems like people are dismissing Rich Rods resume...he has won 8 conference championships in his career, he is an expert at the spread option, and he is known as a good recruiter. Plus he won 8 games with an Arizona team that did not have that much talent. He is not one of my favorite people and did an epic crash and burn at Michigan but has also been very successful. Arizona may be a good fit for him. Sarkisian I would not rank that high. He has been recruiting well but his teams have not been playing to the level of their talent. This year he will have to do better than 7-6.
     
  23. azbuff

    azbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I think you're underestimating the level of talent that was at Arizona when RichRod came in. Stoops did not leave the cupboards bare. People rank RichRod low because he was a disaster at Michigan, burned a **** ton of files that likely evidenced either extremely unethical conduct or NCAA violations, and had all of his success in the very worst of BCS conferences.
     
  24. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    The seat may have been hot, but he has a contract that goes for a LONG time. They weren't going to let him go because he got a nice extension when USC came calling.

    The fact that USC wanted to steal him from a conference foe is telling. Can't say the same for their current coaching staff, haha.
     
  25. JimmyBuff

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    1. Shaw
    2. Riley
    3. RichRod
    4. Kiffin
    5. Leach
    6. Mora
    7. Sark
    8. Whit
    9. Graham

    Two are new coaches from small colleges and Helfich is new. Tough for me to judge them right now. I don't think its a very strong group. Lot of "system" guys who can be exposed against coaches that have a clue.
     
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  26. JimmyBuff

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    I have great confidence that we won't be saying that.
     
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    Mora is a solid winning coach. Not a championship coach, but a good coach. Huge improvement over the Weasel.
     
  28. White_Rabbit

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  29. BlackNGold

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    Stoops was recruiting at the bottom of the PAC 10 and PAC 12. In his last 5 classes only his 2007 class was in the upper half of the conference. Rich Rod had one scholarship QB when he came on board. He was winning the Big East when Virginia Tech was there - it is still tough to win a conference. Only 3 CU coaches have done it in the last 50 years.
     
  30. azbuff

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    My point was RichRod had a lot more to work with than Embree did (the cupboards really were/are bare here). UA was 4-5 in conference last year, so I guess RichRod didn't exactly coach up that talent, even if it was in lower half of the Pac-12. And he inherited Ka'Deem Carey from Stoops. Kid accounted for at least one of those four Pac-12 victories. RichRod was great at West Virginia, fell flat on his face in embarrassing fashion at Michigan and will be lucky to ever do better than he did last year at UofA.
     

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