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Recruiting in state

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by DBT, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    McChesney is adamant that there are 10 to 12 D1 kids a year in Colorado and that CU should recruit these kids. The way I've always looked at it is that there are, maybe, 4 or 5 BCS level kids coming out of the state per year. What should CU's strategy be? Offer about every kid with D1 talent and develop them or only offer the top of the line kids? In the first scenario, in a normal 25 scholly year, that would mean half Colorado kids and half out of state kids. One of McChesney's points is that in state kids have more to play pride wise and that CU gains more statewide support because the areas the Colorado kids come from will become CU fans and supporters.
     
  2. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Only offer BCS quality players and build a strong walk on program for in-state kods
     
  3. DBT

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    How do you determine which guys are "BCS quality?" Star rating? We all know that is bull****. I think the coaches really need to do their homework on in state kids. Talk to other coaches, go to their games, attend practices, and build a trust level with the HS coaches to get honest assessments of their kids. I'd rather take a flyer on an in state kid with potential than, maybe, offer an out of state kid who is "rated" higher. McCartney began his tenure by bringing in a lot of Colorado guys on which to build a base.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Star ratings are bull****? Lol

    But they do that through evaluations, just like they do in other states.
     
  5. Darth Snow

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    All D1 athletes are the same. FACT.
     
  6. buffaholic

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    You recruit the best athletes you can get, period. If there's a tie, it goes to the in-state kid. Settled.

    McChes is overstating the quality here. It's under-recruited for sure, but there's not 10-12 kids here this year. Even on the radio earlier this week he was naming class of 2014 and 2015 kids.
     
  7. Duff Man

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    4-6 every year. California is the state we need to be approaching double digits in every season.
     
  8. DBT

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    OK, bull**** to a degree. According to McChesney, and I don't know if this is true, parents can pay the rating services and, in turn, get a better rating for their kid. I've never heard that before.
     
  9. Duff Man

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    Parents can certainly pressure recruiting services, but outright paying them is a stretch.
     
  10. DBT

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    I agree with this. I do think we need to figure out a way to lock those guys every year.
     
  11. BlackNGold

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    There are usually about 8 to 10 players who are being recruited by multiple BCS schools and probably about 25 who end up at a Div 1 school. Compare those numbers to Texas and California. I always felt that CU would do good to get 4 to 5 instate players a year. Little evidence to support any of his hypotheses. Jordan Dizon and Matt Russell had motors that would not quit and neither one of them were from Colorado.
     
  12. sliderNcider

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    Recruit all Colorado kids. Think of all the money we would save on in-state scholarships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. Quattro

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    8-10? Holy **** when has their been 8-10 Colorado kids getting recruiter by BCS schools in one year?
     
  14. DBT

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    :facepalm:
     
  15. BlackNGold

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    Last year is a good example. Baylis, Miles, Thurston, Callahan, Kozan, O'Connor, Hennington, Norgaard, MacCaffery, Mann, Donattell, Apodaca, all those players signed BCS scholarship offers. Did not even count Derek McCartney.
     
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    For a rebuilding program, I think a good, deep core of in-state players could do a lot to help build a foundation. That includes maybe taking kids the ratings say you shouldn't in some cases. There's a value in having a kid on campus with his support structure/home not too far away. If/when CU gets back to winning then they can afford to be more picky instate, imo.
     
  17. BlackNGold

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    Scholarships are billed to the AD at the Out of State rate regardless of rather the player is from in-state or out of state. This has been discussed before. One proposal that never gets passed is to bill the AD for scholarships at the true cost of education rate which is about $19,000 per year per student.
     
  18. lawdogg

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    Didn't Miles come out last year as well.
     
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    Yep. I will add him to my post. Added Bayliss also...
     
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    In 2010 there were 15 Colorado Kids that signed BCS scholarship offers...including Heisman finalist Klein. So you need to pay more attention to in-state recruiting. I stand by my 8-10 number.
     
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    I think Colorado averages about 22 scholarship athletes per year in football (both BCS and nonBCS). This is about double what the state of Oregon does and is only slightly behind Washington and Arizona. CU has been pretty bad at closing the borders over the last 10 years. Just think if we had signed a couple of those linemen, Onyeali as an edge rusher, Miles at QB, Spond and Hemschot at LB, just to name a few. Colorado isn't SoCal, but it's not North Dakota either.
     
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    8-10 is probably a good number assuming we sign the top 8-10 players. Many years we're going to miss out on a few for whatever reason (Fox loving Michigan this year). At that point, I'd rather see us dip into CA/TX/AZ for second tier prospects.
     
  23. DBT

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    Pretty strong numbers. Thing is, as Colorado grows and HS football continues to improve, those numbers will continue to grow. And establishing a strong recruiting presence now and building bridges will only pay dividends in the future.
     
  24. BlackNGold

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    Colorado would be stronger in football if they allowed a spring practice in High School. I talked to Matt Lubbick about this many years ago, he said that states like Texas and Florida produce a lot more Div 1 players per their population levels because of spring practice. A player that goes out for Spring practice every year will have almost an extra year of coaching by the time he completes his senior year. It develops a lot of players that need the extra time. Other coaches agree. Every SEC state except Missouri has HS spring practice.

    HS Spring Practice
     
  25. BuffClass90

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    Heard him say that too. Kinda hard to believe but could be.
     
  26. DBT

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    CHSAA sucks donkey balls.
     
  27. mac2012

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    Getting the best players from Colorado should be the goal. But most of the guys are not native Coloradans. For example look at Fox, he couldn't wait to go out of state, didn't even give us a chance. I don't agree with Matt Machesney, don't think there are 10-12 players yearly from Colorado that are good enough to compete in the Pac 12 . But there are some good ones.
     
  28. Chromeburn

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    I think starting out you go heavy in state. But not because I think they play harder. I feel like there is a disconnect between CU and people in the state. There doesn't seem to be as much support as other premiere programs in their state. By going after instate kids and making that your foundation it helps strengthen the instate fan base. Besides there are always a few good kids in state every year.
     
  29. DBT

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    Yeah. I don't know. But he works with HS athletes and should know. Plus, think about it. Sports parents can be totally illogical when it comes to their kids. Especially as the cost of college sky rockets. They have a lot of incentive.
     
  30. mac2012

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    I agree, but we need the best players we can get. Not a fan of just taken a player because you want to be great at instate recruiting or build a deep core.
     

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