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Retention, Retention, Retention - a Tale of CU's woes

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Darth Snow, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Hat tip Adam at Rivals. Man does good work.
    http://colorado.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=422&tid=192565341&mid=192565341&sid=894&style=2
    Playing this many frosh is a direct result of failing to retain (much less develop) players. How bad was HaLk at this? How the hell was Embree WORSE?

    edit: posted with Adam's permission
     
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  2. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    fify.
     
  3. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Embree was not exponential.
     
  4. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    I'd argue that this is one area that Embree can't really be judged. He was definitely favoring the young guys, but that's what you do when you know you are not competitive and you are building for the future. And in most cases, the young talent was more ready than the older, with few exceptions.
     
  5. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Interesting numbers. There's definitely a pattern there. :sad2:
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    There were a few guys he could have and should have redshirted.
     
  7. schubeal

    schubeal Club Member Club Member

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    But I thought we need to get guys on the field to "see what they can do" and "get valuable game experience"?

    Every time you burn a redshirt you're trading a 22/23 year old senior for a 18/19 year old freshman. These numbers and the win totals in each respective season should not come as a surprise.
     
  8. TDbuff

    TDbuff Club Member Club Member

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    It'd be nice put a run of relatively balanced recruiting classes together too.

    Hawk was all over the place as far as what he needed in a recruiting class and what he'd end up with. He always seemed to be pretty haphazard with what he was targeting.

    Embree tried to fill the entire 2-deep of the DL in one class, then only had room for 2 OL, which we're paying for right now. I know they had holes to fill, but overloading a position in one class is not the way to fix it.
     
  9. CUFan

    CUFan Welcome back Club Member

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    This clearly is probably our most major issue, together with inept coaching. What makes it even worse is coupling this with a lack of effort. I guess that is a coaching issue too, but we have seen inconsistent effort from kids for far too long.
     
  10. BuffUp

    BuffUp W.T.T.F. Club Member

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    yea, hawk didn't have an identity on defense or offense that sure didn't help.
     
  11. patebuff

    patebuff Downgraded to half a star Club Member

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    Good stuff, Snow. If you knew nothing about CU football, you could read this and pretty much say we've sucked for 7 years.
     
  12. BuffClass90

    BuffClass90 Banned BANNED

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    I lay this all on Suckins. Embree had 2 years and only one recruiting class. Suckins had a great recruiting class in 05 and squandered it because he either got the wrong kids or didn't know how to develop them. Since I see Scott playing for the Giants now, I'm going with the latter.
     
  13. nolabuff

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    That would be Da'Rel Scott, not our very own Darrell Scott. Our Scott was a bum who never made it past one training camp with the cowboys.
     
  14. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Would you say something different if you knew something about CU football?
     
  15. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    Darrell Scott was signed by the Cowboys last year and didn't make it out of the preseaon. Not sure what he is up to now. Probably donuts.
     
  16. ReedMarks

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    Looking at some other "similar" teams, this is very interesting to me. Hmmmm
     
  17. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    fify.
     
  18. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Every year it seems like we are staring one of the youngest teams in that nation. We always get our hopes up that it means we are going to be good and experienced in 3 years. That never happens.

    It's awful. We need as many redshirts as possible. Embree should have redshirted Yuri, but didn't. We aren't going to be pretty good until we have 5 year linemen on both sides of the ball regularly. That won't happen for a while.
     
  19. patebuff

    patebuff Downgraded to half a star Club Member

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    A lot
     
  20. BuffClass90

    BuffClass90 Banned BANNED

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    LOL! I never saw his named spelled, just heard it over the din at the bar...and it sounded like Darrell.
     
  21. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Laughing at anyone who says Embree had to play young guys or only got one true recruiting class. No one forced Embree to take a big transition class. No one forced him to overload on DL/ignore OL in 2012 (as TD said above). No one forced Embree to mostly fill a small class before the 2013 class even started.
     
  22. RalphieT

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    I'm sure his mom got him a sweet internship at the bank.
     
  23. BuffClass90

    BuffClass90 Banned BANNED

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    This team is young, but I am really hopeful. Look at the turnaround. And these guys can recruit...Gillam, Adkins II, Awuzie. The South will rise again as we and the AZ schools get better.
     
  24. EddieCrowder

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    When I saw Darrell Scott in Austin before he left I was amazed at how fat he was. everything he did in warm-ups and drills he finished last. I remember thinking the top 3 recruits that year (Julio Jones, Terrell Pryor, and Scott) and we land the Michelin man, what a waste of talent.
     
  25. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Gotta play your guys.
     

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