Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by dio, Mar 15, 2008.
Wow. I've got nothing. I don't know what to think anymore.
Seems like this is about where a fan of another Big 12 team should jump in here and claim that Hawk has no control over the players.....:huh:
What is it about these kids and fights? Are they just reported more here or what? Are there CU kids that are gunning for Cu football players to try to knock the program down? I don't understand why someone with so much to lose in scholorships and possible NFL income would go out and get into these situations.
wtf is happening.
Sad, but it is looking now that with the happenings of the last couple of days, Dan Hawkins' worth may be measured by how he handles these situations vice wins and losses. I am interested in what he does to 1) discipline transgressors, 2) put a stop to destructive behavior and perhaps the most important 3) reestablish the newly damaged good will he developed with the campus and community.
It's immaturity and a lack of self control, along with stupidity. Hawkins has to have a serious meeting with the team and let them know the consequences of this kind of behavior. If Katoa had a rock in his hand, and he is found guilty of the charges against him - he should be kicked off the team. He is lucky he didn't kill somebody. It's time for Hawkins to do the right thing.
and if you cant control your actions at parties and bars dont ****ing go.
I do not, in any way want to defend either guy, but I'll guarantee you that if my 23 year old son had gotten in a fight with a football player and popped in the mouth, he would not of called the cops.
So, besides the fact that these kids, the football players, are making dumb assed decisions, there are a lot of kids up there that would love nothing more than to get them in trouble. All the more reason for them to learn self control.
Riar Geer has been around long enough to know better. I have been really looking forward to a worthy follow-up performance to his freshman season. Between last season's injuries and now the fighting, he's in the news for all the wrong reasons. Time to do the hokey pokey and turn himself around.
Honestly, I think part of it is that the DA (KKKeenan) doesn't prosecute those who start fights with football players. So other than potentially taking a beating, there's no downside for those douchebags who want to prove they're big boys by fighting with football players. The players, OTOH, get the book thrown at them not only by the DA, but also the school and by Hawk.
Bottom line, they're responsible for their own behavior, but I think KKKeenan might be emboldening those who want to take a shot at them. Or I could be full of it.
I will take option (c) - Both
I think there is something to be said for that idea. Plus, KKKeenan has definitely, with some help from ex-Gov. Woody, the sensationalist garbage media types and a few spineless administrators no longer part of CU, created an atmosphere in which many of the students must see the players as some kind of pampered monsters who deserve and need to be taught a lesson. Create an atmosphere of hostility and fear, drop in a few 18-22 year old males to be on the receiving end of it, then act surprised when the guys end up getting in to some altercations. Yep, makes perfect sense to me... :huh:
Of course, there is more to it than that. But I think it makes sense to think that is part of what is going on... :huh:
I only read what is quoted in this listing, but Geer's incident sure sounds pretty mild. Sounds like both parties took their licks and it should have ended there. Not defending the actions of anyone, but this just doesn't sound like the type of thing you go flag cops down to settle. Sounds like it had already been done and frankly, according to this report, there was not much damage.
These types of fights are just plain stupid on all counts. I don't have all the details and won't claim to since I was not there, but I broke many of these types of situations up when I was in college and nobody ran wimpering to the freakin' cops.
Is it that these kids really do have it out for these players? I hope to hear that the other participants receive their due as well as Geer.
Apparently bad things "do" happen before midnight. What the hell is going on?! To be honest i wasn't that suprised about Katoa (just pissed). But Geer should know better. Hawk's got quite a bit on his plate right now. I hope he can handle it well.
What jumped out to me in the story about Geer was that it says Geer knocked a kids hat off (must have been a fusker hat... ), and that after words were exchanged Geer punched a kid. It also says that Geer had some cuts and bruises, so he was obviously punched as well. What is missing from the story that I would find very interesting is who threw the first punch....
Don't worry, they won't. The guy who started the fight that Sipili ended not only got off scot free, Sip had to pay his medical bills. The guys Katoa and Geer beat up will probably get a parade on campus, no matter their level of involvement or instigation.
i hate ****ing bitches.
125 guys on the team... it is a microcosm of society in general. the important thing is how the matters are dealt with, not the fact that they occurred. 2 incidents coming at basically the same time is just a bad bit of luck. we are still below the average during the gb era, i think. as long as hawkins deals with it, after a fair investigation, in the right way, i am not going to worry about it. these guys, for better or worse, are held to a higher standard and they need to be more careful than this, even if they weren't the instigators.
this isn't fuskerland--- CU will deal out appropriate levels of punishment and we will move on. the team needs to get the message.
i have a feeling the team is policing themselves right now...at least i hope that is the case...
these incidents occuring at the same time are bad. no doubt about it. futures are in jeopardy because of them.
how we do next year on the field is secondary to how this will affect the lives of several of our student athletes, in my opinion.
opinions and conjecture do more harm than good in this type of case. we have learned that over the last decade. it is time to be wary of the media, and wait until the facts are known before formulating opinions about each of these cases.
i will trust hawk, his coaching staff, and the administration to review the facts and deal with the situation in the most appropriate way for the university.
and i will reserve my opinions until i know what the real facts are.
in that article about mike bohn and the football team, it said that geer was attacked first. If he was just defending himself because he was being ganged up on, is it still seirous? what is he supposed to do? get a beating? id punch a couple bitches too if i was huge and powerful like a NCAA Division I TE.
I caught the tail end of an interview with one of the kids involved in the fight. He claimed that he and his buddy were minding their own business when Geer just went off one them for no reason.
Who the hell knows? I hope the cops do a good job figuring it out. I do not believe any story I hear at this point.
You mean the Boulder Police Dept? :lol:
Setting the bar a little high arent we DBT.
:lol: Yeah, I'm sure if the kids had anything to do with instigating the fight, they would have no reason at all to lie about it, considering the fact that somebody is facing charges right now because he is the supposed instigator.... :lol:
And the Boulder cops doing a good job figuring out the truth, when they've already got a CU football player to charge?? :lol::lol::lol:
I guess I am with 92Buff here and I don't see why this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be.
I think if it hadn't come on the heels of the Katoa thing, it wouldn't be getting near the attention it is. Plus, initial stories made it sound much worse than later accounts are sounding.... :huh:
Posted by Saheeb on March 16, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Can't Hawkins assign a back up or third string player to go everywhere with starters and if a fight erupts it's the role of the back up to fight and make the starter run? I think that would be a fine policy.
this was a damn fine suggestion by a daily camera reader!:wink2::lol::lol::lol:
i like it...I like it a lot!
That's funny as hell. Quality post!
That is really funny.... Rep to buff190
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