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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NashBuff, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I was thinking that it would be fun to have a thread dedicated to news on the four newest members of the Pac. It would be cool for others to start a California and Northwest thread.

    http://azstarnet.com...http://azstarnet.com/sports/football/college/wildcats/arizona-football-assistant-left-wva-to-follow-richrod/article_8724f493-5489-52bf-92c0-a5d9b936406e.html

    That Tucson paper talks about why the new DC who is installing a 3-3-5 defense left West Virigina after 32 years. I'm very curious to see how that 3-3-5 could work in a conference like the Pac-12 and that spread option offense that Rich Rod is installing.

    http://www.azcentral...http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DouglasHaller/168190

    The latest on ASU under their new coach. Out of the four Mountain schools, I have kept the least amount of tabs on and I am planning on increasing my daily dosage of all things Sparky.

    Given how ASU will be more of a running team this year, I can only wonder how many more touchdowns Cameron Marshall will score this year. He scored 18 rushing TDs in a pass heavy offense last season so I'm expecting 20+ from him this year.

    http://www.sltrib.co...http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/54642255-89/utes-running-whittingham-game.html.csp

    While we are still talking about RBs, Jason White is looking forward to the help he will be getting from his fellow RBs this fall. The Ute RBs are working on their pass catching skills since they will probably be catching more passes out of the backfield this season. Could Brain Johnson be using some of Urban Meyer's shovel pass plays from the past?

    http://www.denverpos...http://www.denverpost.com/cu/ci_21251264/cu-buffaloes-quarterback-derby-down-three-candidates

    The CU QB competition is down to three QBs: Woods, Webb, and Hirschman. Shane Dillion had shoulder surgery last offseason and will redshirt. I hope CU's QB is settled once for all before the CSU game but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if we go through all three of those QBs. I know Webb (from his KU days) and Hirschman can tuck the ball and take off...don't know about Woods.
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Could be our future "pod" if we see radical realignment.

    Regardless, these are the 3 programs we need to pass in order to get where we want. There is solid talent every year coming out of CO, AZ and UT. CU needs to be the destination of choice. Also, these are the programs that are positioned best for attracting the TX talent that is interested in playing in the Pac-12. CU needs to be option #1 for those kids.

    Before we can talk about challenging USC, we need to own the Four Corners.
     
  3. josef

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    owning the four corners is like winning the special olympics
     
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  4. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    It sucked getting beat by KU, ISU, and MU under Dan Hawkins.

    We need to be able to consistently beat the Four Corners schools if we are going to be any good in football. We went 2-1 against that group last year and the goal this year should be a clean sweep of the Four Corners schools. Given that we should go 3-0 in OOC play, beating those schools should mean we will be a bowl team this season.

    I don't think we will be able to repeat our exprience with the Noids of Lincoln with USC so we need to put our focus in beating the Four Corners schools every season. Suppose they are good teams, that will only elevate us higher. USC & UCLA is not the answer.
     
  5. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    Sounds great - you could also post it as a blog, and we would be happy to promote it to the front page.
     
  6. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    Couldn't have said it any better! If we can't beat those schools, how can we honestly challenge USC? The key is ASU and they have competed pretty well with USC at times in the past. I'm disturbed that we are 0-3 against the Sun Devils and we MUST get win #1 against them this year! Win #2 needs to come in Tempe next season as well!

    We should not underestimate the Utah talent because an Utes squad full of Utah hicks went down to New Orleans and punched Alabama in the mouth.

    And beating both Arizona schools every year will most likely mean we have first crack at the top talent in that state. The kids there are not stupid...if we struggle to beat UA and ASU every year, we probably aren't a good team.

    Sweeping the 4C schools should be goal #1b along with making a bowl game. Sweeping those schools will make the goal of making a bowl game easier every year. I don't see that as being too radically different from beating ISU, KU, and MU when we were a good team.
     
  7. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    Not sure why you'd bring up the 2008 Sugar Bowl as a example of Utah's talent seeing as how few current players are still playing.
     
  9. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I guess you don't get the 2001 CU-Nebraska game either. But you cannot deny the fact that Utah kids can play. Too bad the last Utah kid we had on roster was a troublemaker. Buffnik has also stated that Arizona is an important state for recruiting. It would be easier to have the desert boys come up to cooler Colorado if we beat the Mildcats & Scum Devils.
     
  10. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    To make headway in recruiting Arizona, we actually have to start making it a priority. Until that happens, on-field results will matter very little.
     
  11. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    I like salsa.
     
  12. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    [​IMG]
     
  13. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Isn't it the three corners? And since we don't play ourselves, it's really just the two corners.
     
  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    From a certain point of view, it's only 1 corner.

    And I think we just had a Jack Handy moment.
     
  15. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatrep...b-arzouman-suffers-season-ending-knee-injury/

    Ouch...Arizona suffers a season ending injury on the OL. Redshirt frosh was set to be in UA's playing rotation on the OL.

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu...sdays-report-where-kelly-has-improved-qb.html

    ASU is experimenting with a 3-4 and 4-3 defense and could use both. Like CU, ASU is mired in a QB competition with three QBs. Cameron Marshall, the star RB, will be playing special teams as well.

    http://www.buffzone.com/cu-news/ci_21260277/football-cu-buffs-nick-kasa-committed

    Nick Kasa is committed to making an impact at TE.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/colleges/2012/08/07/connor-wood-cu-buffs-playing-time/24064/

    Kensler of the Denver Post talked with Connor Wood about how cruel QB competitions can be.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/54652903-77/utes-whittingham-fakahafua-junior.html.csp

    Utah appears to have found a DE to go along with three good returning DL starters.
     
  16. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Love this quote from Wood:

    “Basically, we had that saying up in our locker room about ‘The Buffalo herd only survives through natural selection.’ It’s like, ‘Only the strong survive.’
     
  17. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    In addition to those links that were taken from the ESPN blog, I will take one link from each athlethic website.

    http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?....8&DB_OEM_ID=600

    Yuri Wright has learned his lesson about tweeting stuff and CU has a person monitoring each player's social media activity.

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/utah....nt/UUFB8612.pdf

    PDF of week two of fall camp for the Utes. Not much to report there.

    http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080812aad.html

    UA's players must not be morning people or was it triple digit temps that got to them in their first morning practice? Or simply the first morning practice? I'd wager that it was just their first morning practice. The team is excited about going to Fort Huachuca.

    http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080612aad.html

    There will be seven webisodes with Coach Graham. Not much other news from ASU's website.

    Read more: http://firstrowsports.proboards.com...onferenceshere&thread=66&page=1#ixzz233iEUhPK
     
  18. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I like that and hopefully it is the BEST QB that survives.
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Nash, what are you reading on the QB battles at UA, ASU and UU? They all seem to be as much in flux as CU this year.
     
  20. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I think Utah's is more settled with Wynn coming back but even Coach Whittingham said that Wynn's job isn't safe. Plus we don't know how good Wynn's shoulder will be this season. Looking back, I don't think Utah did too badly in the Pac-12 last season with a Division II QB taking Wynn's place. I'll try to find any information on the competition for the backup QB job.

    I also think UA already has a QB in Matt Scott which would be a Stoops player. I'm more interested in who will be the backup QB which should be more of a Rich Rod option type of player but at the same time, Rich Rod has led two pass happy offenses as OC at Tulane and Clemson so the backup QB could be telling of what direction Rich Rod wants to go this season.

    ASU is in as much flux as the Buffs in the QB department.

    One key factor in the 4C race is that only CU has the same OC from last season. Utah is taking a gamble on Brain Johnson who was a very good QB for the Utes but is only 25 years old, ASU is going from a pass happy offense to a running team and the same for Arizona given Rich Rod's recent history with Michigan and West Virgina but it would be a push if Rich Rod goes the Clemson/Tulane route.

    It's very important we get good QB play since not only there is some flux at QB for the 4C teams but Stanford & Oregon. We really need to take advantage of the flux that the Pac-12 is in this year to slingshot us towards some championship years. It starts this year!

    :gobuffs:
     
  21. JJBuff

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    Nash, is this some sort of guerrilla marketing campaign for the Four Corners Monument?
     
  22. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    Now you mention it, they did a reconstruction of the monumnet. I know New Mexico is missing but they might join the Pac some day. I want to see CU's flag higher than three other flags that have shades of RED.

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    They are our more natural rivals not U$C or ucla.
     
  23. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I work four days a week (10 hour days) so I am thinking I could break down each opponent of the 4C schools by also including news from those schools. This will be the schedule:

    Mondays: Arizona
    Tuesdays: Arizona State
    Wednesdays: Colorado
    Thursdays: Utah

    Utah is the big winner here...unlike last Black Friday. :lol:

    I do keep an eye on UNC up in Greeley and they really struggled last season. They were picked again to finish dead last in the 11 team Big Sky Conference this year so Utah should have no problems with this squad.

    http://www.uncbears....http://www.uncbears.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/0803121stpractice

    UNC just opened practice and unlike the 4C schools this summer, they won't be answering questions about who their starting QB will be. Seth Lobato will be the starter and he was once a walk-on QB under Dan Hawkins at CU and he can play ball but UNC won't have enough weapons to handle a Pac-12 contender like Utah.

    http://www.youtube.c...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cjEGWOek6nA
     
  24. CVilleBuff

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    Agree that we need to dominate these 3, although also think Duff is correct that we won't be seeing sustained success amongst top Arizona recruits until our staff decides to actually put a heavy emphasis on it. Jagne was promising, and we have a pretty good shot at Dionte Sykes, but we need to do better. Utah doesn't have the talent that Arizona does, but it would be nice to start landing some of their top players at least occasionally, as well.

    A bowl game certainly looks more realistic when you break it down into winning our OOC games + these 3 would get us bowl eligible this year. Not to mention Wazzu (or Oregon State, when they appear on the schedule).
     
  25. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I sincerely believe that if we really took the 4C schools seriously and go 3-0 against this group every year, we will be fighting with USC & UCLA for the South crown. Long term, I want to see CU go at least 2-1 against every Pac-12 region. This region is the first region that we must have ownage over not just on the field but mentally. I know we went 2-1 against the 4C schools last season but we need to maintain that success.

    We went 0-3 against the California schools and NW schools. That needs to change this year!
     
  26. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    The 4C carve-out is a concession (or possibly a rationalization) in which Nash can present the land locked states of the Pac12 as a psuedo Mountain West division within the BCS conference.

    Nash likes his Mountain West schools.
     
  27. JJBuff

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    Landlocked? Wait, what? I just bought ocean front property in AZ. ****. I think I've been had.
     
  28. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I guess you are fan #2 in the NashBuff vision of CU being in the MWC. :haha: I'm sure that Darian3Hagan will love this post since he's fan #1. :lol:
     
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    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    Give it time...isn't California due for an epic earthquake?
     
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    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    http://tucsoncitizen...http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2012/08/08/jc-transfer-b-j-denker-learing-pretty-quickly-at-quarterback-for-arizona/

    JUCO QB moving up the charts at UA. BJ Denker appears to have nailed down the backup QB job over several freshmen.

    http://www.azcentral...http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DouglasHaller/168418

    ASU's QB situation doesn't appear to be as clear as their rival's QB situation.

    http://blogs.denverp...http://blogs.denverpost.com/colleges/2012/08/09/colorado-tailback-tony-jones-ready-big-year-qb-nick-hirschman/24101/

    I was pleasantly surprised that Tony Jones is now 192 pounds on that 5'7" frame. From what I have heard about him, he appears to be ready for a big year.

    http://blogs.denverp...http://blogs.denverpost.com/colleges/2012/08/09/excolorado-coach-gary-barnett-observations-buffaloes/24103/

    Could CU's QB situation be clearing up? According to former Buffs coach Barnett, Webb appears to be the man.

    http://www.sltrib.co...http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/54658361-89/utes-kruger-defensive-defense.html.csp

    Utah's strength is in the DL and one Utah fan even commented that strong teams have strong DLs. Remembering that powerhouse CU of the 1990's had strong DLs at that time, I would have to agree with that Utah fan.

    http://www.deseretne...http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765595690/Utah-Utes-football-Even-with-Chase-Hansens-injury-Utes-no-longer-thin-at-quarterback.html

    While Utah is trying to figure out their QB is depth chart, they are not lacking in numbers. Wynn and Hays are back this year plus two newcomers (was three with Hansen until he had that injury and decided to go on a mission after the semester is done).

    I'll go ahead and create some rankings on which team has the more clearer QB picture:

    1. Arizona
    2. Utah
    3. Colorado
    4. Arizona State
     

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