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Where did it start?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Unleash Hell, Oct 2, 2009.

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Start of our fall?

  1. Recruiting scandal

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  2. 05 late season collapse

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  3. Montana St.

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  4. Other

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  1. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    What was the beginning of our downfall that we can't recover from?

    Was it the off field recruiting scandal that really hurt this program the most? Was it The late season collapse in 2005 where a 7-2 and #22 Buff team (our last ranking) fell on the road to ISU and went on to an embarrasing loss to NU at home followed by 70-3 against Texas in the CCG? Or if you are still a huge Barnett supporter, was it when Hawk took over and lost to Montana state?
     
  2. BuffNut99

    BuffNut99 Club Member Club Member

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    The '05 collapse. True '06 still would have been difficult w/ the talent that was there, but if CU finishes '05 strong (by beating Iowa State and Nebraska, as they should have, lose to Texas not nearly as big, win bowl game vs. whoever), the team would have finished ranked. Plus, Barnett goes out and recruits one or two QBs (probably a JC to play on '06, and one or two to develop for '07 and beyond) and we don't start from square one with Hawk.

    The problem with the program is that the evisceration that occurred at the end of '05 led to having to start from square one, and the current leadership hasn't left the station yet. We're still at square one. Going into the Iowa State game in '05, we were 7-2 and ranked. We are 14-30 since then.
     
  3. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Recruiting scandal. The collapse was a result of the scandal, I think.
     
  4. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    I think it all goes back to the the recruiting scandal
     
  5. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    We could have recovered from the scandals. Look at how many teams have scandals that are forgotten within a year or two because of their on-field successes.

    The end of season collapse in 2005 sucked the hope out of the program, IMO. The confidence just seemed to evaporate. It affected recruiting big time, it was a large part of the reason Barnett and Co. were fired and Hawkins was brought in. Barnett knew he was ****-canned then and the whole program was on lame duck status.

    The combination of the scandal and the performance that year was a one-two punch that knocked us out cold.

    Of course, there was hope under Hawkins' first year but his misguided coaching and failure to address recruiting holes have only prolonged our misery.
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Recruiting scandal. Not because of any immediate impact on the team. More because it changed the entire dynamic of the faculty & administrative relationship with the AD. We haven't had institutional support for our athletic programs since then (not that it was great before then) and rules were even put in place that hampered recruiting. If you do the math, 2005 was simply the last year we had players recruited before the scandal and there was very little depth in the classes behind them.
     
  7. ScottyBuff

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  8. SkiTownUSA

    SkiTownUSA Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    I'll go with scandal. I don't think all the problems we have now are a result of it however. But that is when everything began to turn sour.
     
  9. Waldo

    Waldo Original Copy Club Member

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    when we hired the wrong coach
     
  10. buffwings

    buffwings Club Member Club Member

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    the recruiting scandal that NEVER was, the school tying Barnett's hands, that he got lazy because he saw he could not win, it was then perpetuated by a mistake in the next HC hire.
     
  11. Spider

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    That's the way it looked from here.
     
  12. GoBuffs08

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    Montana State. That games should have showed us we had the wrong coach.

    With the "scandal", getting killed by UT, whatever, we had plenty of talent to beat Montana State. That was the first of many games that showed Juicebox does not have the ability to get teams ready to play.
     
  13. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i am going to all historical and say that, technically, it all started when Mac retired.

    when Mac retired, the search committee decided to limit the search to in-house candidates only. this meant only simmons and skippy were seriously considered for the job. that was a huge ****ing mistake that we are still suffering from. at that point, the program was at its historical best, with great ****ing players across the board. had they brought in another big time coach (and believe me, there would have been guys lining up for the job at that time), then we'd be looking at a different program today.

    instead, they handed the program to ****ing skippy who burned down the foundations that made it so ****ing good. then, when he skulked off to washington, they ****ed up the search again. they thought they had koob and he balked. so, again, instead of opening a wide search, they panicked and hired barnett as a desperation plan b guy.

    without the recruiting scandal, we would never have hit this fairbanks level of low, but if they hadn't ****ed up the coaching search after Mac, we'd still be an elite program.

    that's my 2 ****ing cents. gawd, i am depressed. how do these ****heads still have jobs today?
     
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  14. ScottyBuff

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    It's too bad Les Miles didn't stay "in-house" then.

    Coulda shoulda woulda.

    We have had 15 years since then, they should have been able to make at least 1 right coaching hire since then.
     
  15. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    he asked where it all started. i answered.

    yeah, we "shoulda" made at least 1 good hire since then but we haven't.

    oklahoma has EVERYTHING we don't have. and it took them 3 tries to get stoops and a decade of relative crappiness.

    usc has EVERYTHING we don't have. it took them about 3 tries to get carroll and over a decade of relative crappiness.

    bama has no ****ing soul at all and would hire lucifer and pay him 5mm a year if it meant they'd be elite again and look how many times they missed on coaching hires over the last 20 years.

    it isn't easy to get it right. i just wish we'd have done a better job of at least putting ourselves in position to get it right.

    this next hire is going to be ****ing challenging. we are a dog **** program now that hasn't tasted success in 8 ****ing years. we've got no ****ing money. that means they are going to probably have to take a gamble again on yet another unproven mutha****er. i so hope i am wrong on this. i want them to step up and get someone good. they are being penny-wise and pound-foolish. we need to invest in the ****ing program if we want to see if flourish. that means more financial and academic support.

    damn, i hate this ****.
     
  16. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Which time?!?
     
  17. ScottyBuff

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    Didn't mean to come off as sarcastic a-hole. I was following your train of thought but didn't come across in my post.

    I guess all the past program mistakes are just pissing me off just as much as the current coaching mistakes.

    Either way I agree with you.
     
  18. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i didn't take your post as a-hole-like at all. i am pissed off and frustrated, too, about the state of the program.

    these guys are a trainwreck.
     
  19. ScottyBuff

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    Ditto.

    Misery doesn't have to love company, but you've got it.
     
  20. PhillyBuff

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    no.... a train wreck has speed before it crashes.....
     
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  21. 66BUFF

    66BUFF FTW Club Member

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    beat me to it.

    we had all the mo rolling our way in 94 and that ****ing albino screwed the pooch
     
  22. Waldo

    Waldo Original Copy Club Member

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    you can argue the last 3 but this one has sunk to new all time lows in the W-L column over the last 20 years
     
  23. SkiTownUSA

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    I believe it all started on a Tuesday. I can't remember the year though.
     
  24. Waldo

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    who gives a **** I just want to know it ends
     
  25. SkiTownUSA

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    :nod: nuff said.
     
  26. buffwings

    buffwings Club Member Club Member

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    That's all I'm waiting for brutha!!
     
  27. DTalkins

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    It all goes back to your LEGEND coach proclaiming that the NEBRASKA game will be cu's benchmark. cu will NEVER be the program NEBRASKA is.
     
  28. Timbuff10

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    Clyde Surrell and Marques Harris... The downfall of CU football starts in 2001. You change one thing in the chain of events that lead to disaster and usually the disaster doesn't happen. If you want to blame GB for trusting his guys a bit too much, then throw him in the mix too. It just took a while for it to show up in the records.
     
  29. Tadploe

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    The 70 to 3 Big 12 Title loss to Texas. C.U. backed into that game, and had its fill of Barnett. The Buffs have not been the same since.
     
  30. buffwings

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    so another assbeating by Tejass might get us another HC?

    I cant wait, I'm done with this POS!
     

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