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Where would be if WE had hired Nick Saban in 2007?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by boydbuff, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    First off, I know you are all going to say it could never happen because our administration would not have spend that kind of $ on him and he wouldn't have come. But this is not just a stupid unrealistic exercise.

    My reason for asking is that many people argue that even if we hired a world-class coach with our next hire we wouldn't be overly successful b/c the lack of commitment by administration to facilities improvements, the lack of student and community support for the FB program.

    You know what-I call BS on that which is why I am asking this question.

    I believe if we hired someone like Nick Saban we too would be competing for national championships. A coach like Saban demands perfection, surrounds himself with world class assistants and recruits lights out. Colorado is not that hard to recruit to if we have a winning program. We have tradition, the best mascot in all of sports and an absolutely beautiful campus as well as strong academic programs for those student athletes who care about that.

    I believe success begets success and we have to look no further than what Boyle has done with hoops. Noone gave a sh*t about our MB until he started winning games. Winning attracts donors, gets the University campus to be more supportive, fills stadiums, etc. That brings in more $ (TV, sales of merchandise, bowl game (or NCAA) revenue, which allows more investment in facilities.

    Therefore, my thesis is that despite some of our challenges (like a weak administration and higher academic standards), if we hired a world-class coach we would within 3 years be a minimum top 20 team AND competing for Pac 12 and occasionally at least national championships.

    What's your opinion?
     
  2. neil29fp

    neil29fp Club Member Club Member

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    What would be the point of even discussing this hypothetical? Damn it, I guess I'm discussing it. We would be National Champs every year for eternity and never lose a game ever. Every show on television would discuss Colorado 24/7 and we'd go to other teams websites and tell them how they don't take their football seriously enough. We'd think that we're awesome and everyone would hate us, but we don't care because we would win all the time.
     
  3. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    We were neck-n-neck with Bama in that bowl game. Hard to fathom the different directions the teams have taken. They're working on the greatest dynasty of the BCS era, and we're a strong candidate for the worst team of the BCS era.
     
  4. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    Exactly. That is why I posed the question using Nick Saban. Lots of us are dreaming that if not this year than next we finally reach into the coffers to hire a world-class proven coach. My question is if we did that, would we be able to have similar or at least close to the same level of success?

    If we hire someone like that it comes down to: how much does the right coach translate to wins on the field and how much do wins inspire donors, the community, the fans? I think we are seeing a microcosm of that with Boyle and I am convinced that the right coach could turn this around fast and lead to massive results on and off the field.
     
  5. GoBuffs!!

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    I think we would be better, but we would not be a nationally top ranked team, we would be middle of the pack. With out Administration's willingness to support a program (they are supporting basketball now), you cannot be a top team. When the top recruits come to see the school, the mountains and Ralphie definatly help, but think about it. You walk into a Oregon that has just built a huge Football only facility that is brand new, top knotch, twice the size of Dal Ward, then you go to Colorado, look at Bach Field house, and realize you are going to have to share Dal Ward with a bunch of other people, it ends up being a pretty easy decision of where you are going to go.
     
  6. boydbuff

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    Except you partially made my point by agreeing that the administration is starting to support BB. Why? Because we are winning. Why are we winning? Because we have a world-class coach. Follow the logic and arguably, facilities upgrades would come too.
     
  7. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    It was not winning that got the basketball facilities built...
     
  8. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I didn't say it was. But there is general consensus that the administration and the university community got behind BB more after we started winning. No surprise there.

    My suggestion is that winning gets support, brings in more revenue and donors, and most likely influences facilities upgrades.
     
  9. Ozbuff

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    I love Tad Boyle, but I'm not sure that one tournament win is enough for him to be considered "world-class". In terms of football, there's no question that Saban's an incredible coach, but Alabama has built in advantages that CU doesn't. In other words, we'd almost definitely be better than we are now, but I highly doubt we'd have two titles in three years. Funny thing is, I thought Alabama was nuts for paying him as much as they did after his debacle with the Dolphins. What was it, $3 million per year to start (now over $5 million, I think)?
     
  10. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    but a coach like that would have the clout to get the donors to step up
     
  11. 77buff

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    I can tell you he's not going to stay at Bama. Texas is going to offer him the ranch. yusama Tide.jpg
     
  12. leftybuff

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    Idk, Bama is on top. They are hands down the best team in CFB. Anything UT offers Saban, Bama will match.
     
  13. boydbuff

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    True that Bama would match but they don't have (I don't think) their own TV channel and Austin would be a lot more fun place to live than Tusca. Also he might like the challenge of proving he can do it again and feel that he has already done all he can at Alabama. Who knows?

    But if he really wants a challenge he should come to CU :nod:
     
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    Probably top 10-15. We won't be able to recruit at the same level as Saban is at Alabama right now but we'd be a damn good team.
     
  15. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    Well a few guys on AB said they'd give their right arm to have a 6-7 win team. What body parts would we offer to be a top 10-15 team year in and year out?
     
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    I'd say at worst he'd replicate what he did at Michigan St where overall he was 34-24-1
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Lance Armstrong style, right nut
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Don't be stingy. Not like you're using them anyway. :smile2:
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Stalker
     
  20. Bama Charlie

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    We were up 27-0 early in the 2nd qtr and took our foot of the gas.
     
  21. GoBuffs!!

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    Seems that he only stays at places ~5 years, so may be there is a chance he will come to colorado next...

    :rofl:
     
  22. Bama Charlie

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    This is his 6th season at UA. If he leaves this year I would thank him for all he has done. Bama's program is in a totally different place then when CNS took over. Of course your program is in a different place since Hawk took over.

    If he does leave I doubt he goes to CU because you guys can't cover his payroll check.
     
  23. boydbuff

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    I don't think any of us, no matter how delusional we may be at times, thinks CU would ever foot the bill for someone like him, nor do we (or at least I) think we could actually convince someone of his caliber to come to CU.

    But we could surely get someone who is proven himself at a lower level or as a Coordinator. I think we could have gotten someone like Sumlin, although a lot of ABers didn't think he was that good (I think he is proving he is the real deal now).

    The core of my question here was if we went out and got a major HC could he turn things around quickly. I think most people seem to agree that yes he could although whether we could regularly compete for national championships with a world-class HC is still up for debate.
     
  24. buffedup

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    Big picture? If Saban had come to CU, I would be making about $1 Million dollars a year doing about 20 hours of stress free work a week, banging super models, and watching CU Football steamroll opponents on a weekly basis. Saban is that good.
     
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    Ya think ?
     

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