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Which is more important...The chicken or the egg?

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by moett88, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. moett88

    moett88 Well-Known Member

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    OK............sports superdudes and dudettes. I am struggling with a current situation and need opinions. This answer should be obvious but... What are the traits of a good QB at the high school level and how much affect can they have on a team if they are just ok but the positions around them are all strong?
     
  2. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    My brother's high school team was loaded with FBS talent, but the quarterback was the coach's grandson. 5'9" 155 lbs and could maybe through the ball 30 yards. They went 1-19 during his junior and senior year.
     
  3. Tadploe

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    The ****!
     
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    Sorry I should have said Rooster. my bad...
     
  5. GoBuffs08

    GoBuffs08 Well-Known Member

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    It has been our experience that any time a coaches kid can play QB for the team, regardless of ability good things happen.

    My HS had several people move onto DI schools with scholarships and at least one to the NFL. We sucked the entire time they were on the team cause our QB was utter crap.
     
  6. J.R. Ewing

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    A lot needs to go right to develop a high quality passing game. That's why the majority of HS teams are run first. They just don't get enough reps together in the limited time that HS teams are allowed to practice.
     
  7. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I would say any kid with a decent bit of arm strength and accuracy can be a decent HS QB... I've seen some pretty bad ones do good things. But it is on the coach to hide his deficiencies. For example, a recent QB we had who shall not be named was incredibly accurate and fantastic (despite arm strength limitations) in 7 on 7's fell to pieces when he was exposed to a rush. He had his best games when he could rely on a solid running game and work off the play action. When we moved to a spread offense, everything fell apart for him and he got eaten alive.

    That said, even the best coach can't fix or create talent. A Qbs limitations limit the offense, period.
     
  8. moett88

    moett88 Well-Known Member

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    Ok SnowBuff! You have the top award.........cause hiding the deficiencies is the exactly word I was looking for!I am and have always been a team player. But this building of excitement around something that may not be true is bugging me. Our QB us a transfer from another school and a great kid personally. Last year's stats 2100+ and I think 300+ rushing 11 TDs. But the team's season 3-9 (something like that). With these stats trying to figure out why schools aren't beating down his door for schollys. The more he plays for us I see why. He is inconsistent with his arm and first instinct is to run. What's keeping things going is we have 4 strong receivers and 2 strong running backs. But outsiders want to say that he's come in and "saved" our school, including his dad when reality is that if he didn't have a strong core things could be alot different. Am I wrong?
     
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    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Thanks. This is where you rep me :smile2: :wink2:

    Ah, so you have a running QB. Up to the QB coach to figure that out. As for your comment... you aren't wrong, but being the outspoken parent is a rough spot to be. QBs, fairly or not, always get the lions share of the glory and the blame.
     
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    This.

    I watch a lot of high school football, and if one thing has really stood out, it's that the vast majority of schools don't have the time or the ability to implement a strong passing game. It's just too complicated. The ones that can do it are usually very successful, but it absolutely requires a QB who can play. That's another drawback to having a passing game - HS quarterbacks come and go and there's no guarantee that the next kid in line will be any good.
     
  11. moett88

    moett88 Well-Known Member

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    SO TRUE! I try to keep to my small group when I vent because I know this will pass but sometimes things get tough.
     
  12. moett88

    moett88 Well-Known Member

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    Seriously!
     
  13. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Just repeat to yourself for next year: 2 4 star Qbs, 2 4 star QBs, over and over... and also that our qb coach is a guy that took a QB with a 17-15 TD to INT career ratio and turned him into a 9 TD 1 INT guy that is 25th in the nation in passing yards (so far) even though the Oline has been extremely dinged up (playing 3d string at LT all year until OSU) and there has been no running game to speak of to support him. Rip knows his stuff.
     
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    IMO, i think the qb is the glue that will keep a team together and help a less talented group play above their potential. Unfortunately, i think the opposite of this is also true unless the team decides to play a run oriented scheme and just forego the pass. My senior year of high school, i played for a team where the opposite of what you see happened. We had one FBS level talent at the skill positions( wr) and a few kids that ended up playing at the fcs and d2 level. Our qb was a junior, ended up at sdsu, but for high school he was a leader, very poised and accurate. we had a very good defense but also with only 2 fbs talents. We ended up at one point, towards the end of the season in the usa today top 25 and made it to state and lost. Long story short, a qb can mask other deficiencies but many times good skill position players cant mask poor qb play.
     
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    See CU 2001. We had a QB with many limitations that were in large part hidden by emphasizing a strong running game and play action passes.
     

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