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Woody's mailbag - DenverPost

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by TheRoyale90, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. TheRoyale90

    TheRoyale90 Member

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    Has some interesting speculation on CU's coaching present and future. It's just talk but it's a decent read. Sorry if someone else already posted it. From the mailbag:


    "Hawkins hasn't had a winning season yet and won't this year, and now he's laying the blame on journalists and bloggers and fans. Give us a break Dan. We've been kind to you and your son, although great high school quarterbacks won't come to Boulder because they know they can't beat out the coach's son. I was a Hawkins supporter. He and I had a conversation in the hallway, just the two of us, after the game last Saturday, and based on some things he said (which I won't repeat because I consider them private, and would hurt him considerably), I think it will be time . . . after this season. Logan would be a great hire. Shanahan would be a great hire. The defensive coordinator at Florida, Charlie Strong, would be a tremendous hire. Tony Dungy would be a great hire."

    http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_13403979
     
  2. Chilly

    Chilly Well-Known Member

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    He loses all credibility with this one sentence alone.
     
  3. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    I'm sorry but Dave Logan? Shanny? Dungy?
     
  4. TheRoyale90

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    Yeah. There have been times I've thought that even a highschool coach would be better than hawk but something about Logan is not right. He might be a college coach eventually but I hope it's not here.
     
  5. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    I'm always dismayed when someone thinks a private conversation happens and it's brought up publicly. Sure, he avoided discussing word for word, but he's created doubt and speculation. Really poor ethics, Woody.
     
  6. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    High school coach? I'm upset with hawk but ask notre dame how well gerry faust did after winning all those state championships at cincy moeller.
     
  7. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    Woody Paige? Seriously?
     
  8. TheRoyale90

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    Oh I never really wanted us to get a high-school coach but when we were getting demolished by mizzou last year I had the thought go through my head that a HS coach could hardly do worse.

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    It doesn't matter anyway hawk is not going anywhere. I just thought that Woody's response to the guy's question was interesting for a variety of reasons.
     
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  9. PurifydatA$$

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    I like the idea of Charlie Strong.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, however you look at it, when the media turns on a coach, yes even insignificant media people like Woody Paige, that coach's days are numbered. Unless of course they manage to turn their team completly around and redeem the season. I'm not so sure Juicebox can manage that one, so...
     
  10. JimmyBuff

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    Gosh, what an idot.. Dave Logan.. :lol:
     
  11. aik

    aik Club Member Club Member

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    The problem is, of course, that regardless of the substance of Woody's articles, his name alone brings readers. And the media like to have each other's backs when a coach assails some of their own (Jenni Carlson, et al). Hawk called out some writers and now a very popular writer nationally has taken offense and thought it his duty to play dirty with the coach. The Zen Master isn't learning how to build alliances very well.
     
  12. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again - Dave Logan isn't that good of a coach. He has all the resources in the world at his disposal at Mullen. He recruits kids from all over the metro area, and yet he's won exactly ONE state title in the 7 years he's been there. I was talking with an official who had done one of their games last year who said they had 20 assistant coaches. TWENTY. I've worked the chains at a couple of their games and can tell you that what Logan does is follow the side judge around all game long and chirps at him constantly. The officials can't stand him, or his obnoxious, self-serving staff. This is NOT the guy we want to be running the show in Boulder. I've seen it up close, and it's not pretty.

    I would be fine with Logan being a WR coach or even an OC, but hells no as HC. That's a recipe for disaster. Who the hell would come in as his assistants? A bunch of high school guys? Gaaaaahhhhh! It's bizarro world!
     
  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see Logan get hired just so all these media dip**** would be shut up when he starts to struggle.

    Just like some people's continual fascination with Jon Embree, I don't understand the continual Dave Logan lovefest by the media.
     
  14. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    Understand your frustration, but CU will not be a proving ground for Logan. Woody is a clown, plain and simple. He loves to drop names and relate these "private conversations", IMO he is not to be taken seriously.
     
  15. Junction

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    FIFY :smile2:
    After all the times I've read about how we don't want "any more small school coaches", I can just imagine how well a high school coach would go over... :lol:
     
  16. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I believe that Woody would be correct in protraying that Dan Hawkins has lost the media's support and he said something about Hawk going off on the media when there were CU students in the room:

    I don't know what the vibe is like on the CU campus (the students that actually care about football) towards Hawk but I can imagine it isn't positive.
     
  17. NW Buff

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    I'm with you. I have no love or hate for Woody Paige. He's just another sports writer to me. I really don't like the way he handled this. Better not to mention it or just spill everything. Letting people's imagination run in this kind of a situation just so you can say you're cool is pathetic.
     
  18. sackman

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    Here's likely what happened: Woody and Hawk are walking down the hall together at the same time. Woody: "Hi, coach", Hawk: "Hi Woody".

    Then Woody can say he and Hawk had a conversation in the hallway. Every once in a while, I'll catch a snippet of Woody's radio show. He's ALWAYS talking about how he had a conversation with this guy or that guy. I'm seriously thinking that none of these conversations ever took place because he never actually says what was said.
     
  19. BuffsNYC

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    The Denver/Boulder media are the whiniest bunch I've ever seen. A little bit of criticism and they get their panties in a bunch quicker than a Jamaican sprinter running in oversized boxers. After the Wyoming game, Hawk talks about his philosophy of never going negative and mentions the press's negativity and both Paige and Ridgell get defensive the next day in the papers.

    Here's Hawk's quote from Ridgell's story: “Not at all. I love these guys. I’ve said this many times before. Unfortunately in this (media) business, there’s not a lot of you that have children. I don’t know why that is. But when you have kids, you love them up. You give them unconditional love. And you hang in there. And sometimes they flunk science, and sometimes they strike out and sometimes they drop fly balls and sometimes they miss last-second shots. But when you’re a true parent, you’re a true teacher, and you hang in there and you keep believing them and keep working on things, and eventually it turns.”

    Certainly there have been alot of very successful football coaches with far different philosophies, and it would be fair to say that "Hawk love" hasn't won a lot of games for the Buffs, but how big a weenie is Paige for responding to this stuff? And how disingenuous is it for Paige to say that Hawkins was "laying the blame on journalists and bloggers and fans" for the losses."

    Freakin' lame.
     
  20. GoBuffs08

    GoBuffs08 Well-Known Member

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    Woody is a tool.

    In one response he thinks Logan would be great for getting local recruits, and in another he says that CU already has like 40 kids from Colorado and they need to do a better job getting kids from Texas, etc.

    For him to think that Shanny or Dungy would coach at CU is crazy
     
  21. BlackNGold

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    On the other hand you could see where someone with children would find Hawkins comments insulting. I know that Woody has a daughter whom he worships so it might of hit him wrong.
     
  22. AlferdJasper

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    Or Woody could have taken the high road, since he's a parent, and said "oh, yeah, I'm a parent. I get that, coach."

    Hawkins didn't say parents didn't get it, he said that parents DID understand it. It was a complement to parents, and a way of saying, "if you aren't a parent, you might not know how powerful these feelings are & how hard it is to teach someone what you want them to understand. You have to accept when they screw up, set high standards, walk the walk." Hawkspeak.
     
  23. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    No. He said only true parents understand and he was pretty clear he was not including the press in that group. You can spin it anyway you want but I would of been insulted if I had been in the room. I get tired of Hawkins attitude that no one else knows what is going on except him - he is not that smart.
     
  24. CarolinaBuff

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    I usually avoid DP articles that are written by Woody. He comes across as an idot on that First and 10 show, and that's a real accomplishment when you're sitting across from Skip Bayless.
     
  25. sackman

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    Dungy, yes. I can't think of any reason for him to coach here. Shanny? There's lots of reasons. Whether any of them are good enough to get him to come here is another question, but there are factors that would make CU an attractive job for Mike Shanahan.
     
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    On his radio show, Woody referred to his private chat with Hawkins. It sounds like Hawkins said something to Woody to the effect of "maybe CU is not the place for me."

    I'm sure that we could come up with a plethora of scenarios for Woody's remark, however. Sounds like Woodrow seems to believe, based on what Hawkins said, that Hawkins either does not want to be here anymore or that he thinks he will not be here anymore.

    I would also interject that maybe Hawkins is just feeling the stress and is a bit down and reeling a bit. Hopefully, he will develop a fighter mentality and pick himself up off the deck and decide to go kick some ass. (OK, queue up "Eye of the Tiger.")
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPg-CjUGkcM"]YouTube - Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger[/ame]
     
  28. SkiTownUSA

    SkiTownUSA Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    I guess it could go down this road to

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4"]YouTube - Europe - The Final Countdown[/ame]
     
  29. DBT

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    Dammit, not "Eye of the Tiger" then. I meant this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlPAj38rHc"]YouTube - Rocky theme song[/ame]
     
  30. White_Rabbit

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    Woody started literally drooling one time when I was watching ATH, I haven't taken him seriously since.
     

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