Doesn't look good for this project.
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Naming rights for CSU's new stadium - ideas?
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Doesn't look good for this project.
I've said this before and I'll continue to say it - It makes very little sense, if any, that having an on-campus stadium will significantly boost their attendance and suddenly make them worthy of being in a BCS conference. If anything they're headed in the direction of FCS, not in the direction of a BCS conference.
This is the issue with CSU. I like CSU but I hate almost all of their fans. I find myself rooting against them just because their fans. It would be nice if CU and CSU were 10 wins per season schools instead of 10 wins per 3 season schools. The local media would, hopefully, embrace college athletics.
Could not agree more.
I don't see anything new in that article that suggests the plans won't go through. And as for Sparkles leaving in 2 years, he better hope he has success, or he will have even worse options this time around. Plus he has a pretty solid contract already with little possibility for a raise
Yeah - but you can see them backpeddling on the stadium. I think it has to happen now, but the funding obviously isn't there. Whatever they build is going to have to be significantly scaled back from the original proposal.
That is why I said it is beginning, not ending. They are going to try to gently massage the stadium issue into a "we really want to do it, but we just can't guarantee that the funding will be sufficient to not require general University funds and cost taxpayers money." This way they will come out looking like the good guy by protecting the taxpayers.
and that is how I feel we are different, sure we would like a bigger stadium, but I think for most of us, it is really low on the priority list. We don't have these delusions of grandeur that we can fill a stadium no matter how big it is. Let's get a better product on the field, fill our existing seats, raise ticket prices, then build more seats.
It's the curious thing about fandom. Before this year I can only remember buff fans (sacky especially) taking about CSU needing an oncampus stadium. CSU fans would talk about how much better Hughes is for tailgating. Then some random booster gets hired as AD and they have to get a new stadium or their fans will stop going to the games. :wtf:
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_House_Networks_Stadium
UCF built their 45k seat stadium for just $55 million. And even if the goats don't sell out a stadium like that, there's always advertising tarps. :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfoCision_Stadium-Summa_Field
Akron built their 27k stadium for $61.6 million. Like CSU and UCF, they used to play off campus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_Stadium
North Texas built their new 30k stadium for $78 million. They have several windmills powering the stadium...perhaps a hint for Captin Jack?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAU_Stadium
FAU built their stadium for $62 million.
I think CSU will build the stadium but it will be on the cheap like those stadiums. Given the level of support from CSU fans, they deserve those cheap stadiums instead of those that are in the $200 million plus range. If CSU fans support their team over the long term, they can always rebuild the stadium just like Oklahoma State did recently.
Given that Frei has written an article where Chuck Neinas said that CSU's new stadium wouldn't be enough to get CSU into the Big 12, I cannot see CSU building a stadium in the $200 million dollar range.
UCF built their 45k seat stadium for just $55 million. And even if the goats don't sell out a stadium like that, there's always advertising tarps. :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfoCision_Stadium-Summa_Field
Akron built their 27k stadium for $61.6 million. Like CSU and UCF, they used to play off campus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_Stadium
North Texas built their new 30k stadium for $78 million. They have several windmills powering the stadium...perhaps a hint for Captin Jack?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAU_Stadium
FAU built their stadium for $62 million.
I think CSU will build the stadium but it will be on the cheap like those stadiums. Given the level of support from CSU fans, they deserve those cheap stadiums instead of those that are in the $200 million plus range. If CSU fans support their team over the long term, they can always rebuild the stadium just like Oklahoma State did recently.
Given that Frei has written an article where Chuck Neinas said that CSU's new stadium wouldn't be enough to get CSU into the Big 12, I cannot see CSU building a stadium in the $200 million dollar range.
I'm not so sure. I get the impression that Terri Frei has gotten "in" with the AD up in FOCO recently with the series of articles he's written about the stadium issue. If you accept that premise, then it's not implausible to think that Graham and Frank might be using Frei to spin the message:
To me, this reads like the AD planting their words in the article as preemptive damage control: "Hey, we wanted to do it, the money wasn't there and this is the best interests of the university as a whole."
and, ugh:
Read more:Terry Frei: CSU's on-campus football stadium not yet a done deal - The Denver Posthttp://www.denverpost.com/frei/ci_2...campus-football-stadium-not-yet#ixzz246ysnZNN
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This is it in a nutshell.
They got all excited and thought that with excitement money would follow. In typical CSU fashion it didn't. Now they are looking at trying to explain owing tens of millions of dollars for a more than half empty stadium which cost more to maintain that it generates before even thinking about paying of the loans to build it.
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Reserving judgement until Cigarafectionado chimes in.
All those stadiums look perfectly fine for on campus, and I think Akron is the best model for the Rams. Same scope, but also enclose the endzones for an additional 10k of seats for not much more cost (they are going to be concrete on the ground mostly). They could then leave the side opposite the press box open for future expansion if the demand ever dictates it. That press box/club box structure is rather fugly though, so I might add a few more dollars to make it nicer, and maybe only two stories (with more club seats in front). But I can't see that entire project costing more than $80 million. Look at all the smaller to mid sized stadiums that other non- big time programs have, even at the lower BCS level (like Wazzu, K_State, Iowa State, all the big east outside of WVU and Pitt, etc). They were built smallish to begin with and upgraded as demand increased and the extra space was needed. No one really builds a new stadium from the ground up, especially at the tune of $250 million dollars. Minnesota did, with $150 million from MN STATE coffers (over 1/2 the cost).
Seems like proposing something that's actually sensible would be in the best interest of CSU and their administration. Then it might actually get done.
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NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
Bingo. I'm sure Minnesota's new oncampus stadium wouldn't have looked as good without state help. The bigger question is will it ever have gotten built? CSU will not be able to get state help in this case unless the voters give their ok. Can you imagine CU, UNC, AFA, and other instate fans rallying to vote yes for that project? Minnesota is also the only fully D1 school within that state so state support wouldn't be a big issue in that case as is many B1G schools.
You are correct about KSU...their stadium was truly a dump before Bill Snyder came and you could say the same thing about Oklahoma State but the Cowboys did it with Boone Pickens' oil money. KSU fans have been supportive of their football program. The stadium was 43k until 1998 before it was expanded. No school money is being used for their current project.
Iowa State's stadium started at 42,500 and now it's at 55,000. There is talk that they will expand again next year perhaps to 65k. Iowa State fans have done a very respectable job of supporting their team in the last decade.
What has CSU's fans done to deserve a stadium as grand as Minnesota's new stadium?
I support CSU's stadium drive but at the same time I think they need to come to their senses and start at 30k.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
20k would be too small. I'd say more like 30-35k just like the current stadium.
Iowa State is funding pretty much everything on loans secured against future Big 12 media revenues. This is, obviously, not an option for CSU.
Yeah - and the folks in Ames were sweating pretty hard when it was looking like the Big 12 was going to implode.
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Not sure Akron is the model CSU is looking for. According to this review, there is some buyers remorse within the Zips AD due to terrible attendance in year 2 and beyond. The 3-9 and 1-11 records just killed interest in the program amongst students. Ouch.
http://www.ohio.com/news/first/attendance-falls-at-ua-stadium-1.182536
The school recently approved beer sales for 2012 to juice interest in a team with a losing record over the past six seasons. So they have that going for them.
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...-of-akron-to-sell-beer-at-home-football-games
So where is our beer?