Someone posted a really good comment on the article. That guy is smart
CU has been demolished on the football field in seven consecutive games. The reputation of the program -- and, yes, the school -- has taken a hit.
Officials aren't doing their jobs if they don't at least consider every option regardless of costs. After all, there are few examples of coaches overcoming these types of situations in the past at other programs. The vast majority are eventually fired.
If it's $2.5M, Bohn is a moron. He didn't learn a damn thing from the Hawkins fiasco.Ringo got told what the # was by his source/Bohn. No way he did the math independently. Wonder why Bohn is having him float inflated #s? I'm guessing the 2.5 mil # is to see what kind of backlash he gets.
Especially idiotic when you consider that he hired an unproven and inexperienced HC & OC, which would increase the odds of potentially needing to make a change before the contracts are up. Bohn is really a horrible negotiator.If it's $2.5M, Bohn is a moron. He didn't learn a damn thing from the Hawkins fiasco.
Nice article by Ringo, it was nice to see him come out and tell it like it is. Needless to say it again but I will anyway, the buyout amount is questionable to say the least. Ringo is saying that CU needs to pay off the final 3 years of both Embree's and JE's contract, which isn't how a buyout works. And as Slade pointed out, if true that would actually total 3.5 million, not 2.25.
I thought these couple of lines were some of the best in the article:
According to sources, Ringo's number is incorrect. The correct numbers have now been sent to him and hopefully he updates the online article.
The termination fee is what had been previously reported.
Thanks, nik. I think it was your tweet to him that got the ball rolling. I would think that if people see just how cheaply this coaching staff can be terminated, the decision will become much easier.
So would now be a good time to let Bohn and Co. know that if they need additional money, to pay off this group of incompetent coaches, we the fans are willing to donate a little more?
I'd be willing to commit to a donation if it meant Embree was fired.
In the real world, some journalists are knuckleheads.Firstly, there are an ass ton of assumptions here.
Some of you are presuming that no contract absolutely equals no payout. In the real world where these types of decisions are made it isn't that clear cut
I was wondering if the inaccuracy in Ringo's article was intentional. Then there is this gem at the end:CU doesn't want you to know how cheap the termination charge is. Why? Beacause they would love to have Embree on staff with a very low salary through 2015 rather than be forced to hire a new coach at a real salary of $2 million. In that sense, the true cost to fire through 2015 could be $10 million.
What makes more sense for the program right now? Riding it out with Embree and hoping his recruits develop and his scheme and staff changes work while pouring money into facilities changes? Or dumping another $2.25 million into a firing and then having to spend at least $2 million to hire a coach with a name and then another $2 million for his assistants?
They have replaced the original article on Buffzone with a new one. The comments from last night in support of firing Embree are no longer there.
http://www.buffzone.com/cu-news/ci_22029907
They have replaced the original article on Buffzone with a new one. The comments from last night in support of firing Embree are no longer there.
http://www.buffzone.com/cu-news/ci_22029907
Hmm.. Your link took me to the same article, with the same comments as yesterday.
I think people would be surprised at how good a transition class can be with the right staff in place. I am talking either 2013 or 2014 here.
They have replaced the original article on Buffzone with a new one. The comments from last night in support of firing Embree are no longer there.
http://www.buffzone.com/cu-news/ci_22029907
The case for firing Embree and his staff is pretty easy to make.
The results alone make it hard to argue in favor of retention. There is a laundry list of ugly numbers, lousy statistical rankings and record-setting performances by opponents that have made this fall a complete embarrassment to any self-respecting CU fan.
But there are deeper problems causing all those dubious achievements.
Coaches have had two springs, two fall camps and two full seasons to establish offensive and defensive identities and there still isn't one on either side of the ball. Embree has indicated he is contemplating a change to his offense, which means it might take longer still to establish the identity on that side of the ball.
The harsh reality here is that the identity of this program is that it's one of the worst in major college football and probably second worst from a Bowl Championship Series conference. The Buffs' win at Washington State this season is the only thing keeping them from the very bottom.
But let's be honest, if the Buffs and Cougars played the game over today, who do you suppose might win? As bad as Washington State has been this fall, it has been much more competitive in most of its games than CU.
There is a lack of player development and tangible improvement at many positions on both sides of the ball. Look no further than the quarterback position where three players have logged significant playing time and have received legitimate opportunities and failed to produce.
There have been signs of progress and improvement at offensive line, tight end and running back this season, but it hasn't been consistent progress. As soon as we give credit to one of those groups one week, that group seems to take a step back the next.
This might be the single biggest sore spot with CU fans.
Most Buffs' supporters came into this season knowing it likely wasn't going to end in a bowl game. They simply wanted to see improvement from their team and development of younger players over the course of the season and leadership from older players.
There is little evidence that any of that has occurred.
Coaches might see improvement in practices while paying attention to a freshman's technique or a sophomore's understanding of a scheme or play call, but fans don't see it on game day. Once again, look no further than the quarterback play. Performances there seem to be getting worse as the season has gone along.
That feeds the frustration and anger among fans because there is rarely anything positive to take away from games, which many fans pay $60 or more per seat to attend.
This staff was hired, in part, based on its past history of success in recruiting. The jury is still out on how good the 2012 class might be. After all, 16 members of the class haven't played a down of football yet because they are either redshirting or grayshirting.
But has this coaching staff landed a player so far that another veteran staff might not have been able to get? It's doubtful.
Was my comment there at the bottom?
Is it just me or is $2.25mil not that much money? How much did it cost CU in ticket sales and brand reputation by keeping DII for the 5th year. It had to be way more than what the buyout would have been. Time for CU to learn from past mistakes instead of repeating them.
Basketball ticket sales are way up, including season tickets so it's not like the football team is funding the entire BBall operations like they used to.
Get rid of Embree & CO and conduct a proper search and hire a experienced big name coach to get this sinking ship fixed.
If CSfrickingU on a MWC budget can hire a big name coach and staff I'm sick of hearing about CU being too poor to spend any money.