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Official 2016 All-in-One Assistant Coaches Compendium Thread - hagan in, bernardi to te, adams ol -

skibum said:
In a close game, any one or two big plays can be said to be the difference. That said, I do believe in the "momentum" theory of sports, and the special teams plays were what shifted the momentum in that game to Alabama.

In a different direction: it appears to me that in TSchekler's world, coaches are only responsible for scheme and recruiting, and if a player misses what was his assignment and responsibility within that coaches' scheme, it's always the players fault. It's not that the coach didn't spend enough time on it in practice. It's not that the coach may have designed a scheme that was beyond his players' grasp. It's definitely not because that coach isn't good at teaching players what their responsibilities are within that scheme. It's always the players' fault for failing to execute and missing their assignment on that play.
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Thanks for generalizing and not recognizing context. My point refers to the contain players on KO team not... wait for it... keeping contain, as well as a kicker not getting enough height on a kick to avoid a defenders outspread arm for a block. Trust me, a Special Teams coach spends more than enough time (probably too much time in all honesty) harping on keeping designated lanes and ESPECIALLY contain on kickoff. The coach's instruction can only go so far. At some point, the player has to execute.
 
When a safety bites on a post route I don't really think it has to do with knowing your assignment, just more to do with instincts and trying to make a play. A safety knows he can't let players behind him, has little to do with how much coaching was going on.
 
TSchekler said:
Thanks for generalizing and not recognizing context. My point refers to the contain players on KO team not... wait for it... keeping contain, as well as a kicker not getting enough height on a kick to avoid a defenders outspread arm for a block. Trust me, a Special Teams coach spends more than enough time (probably too much time in all honesty) harping on keeping designated lanes and ESPECIALLY contain on kickoff. The coach's instruction can only go so far. At some point, the player has to execute.
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And maybe if they spent more time practicing kickoff coverage, the player(s) would stop making those mistakes. There are some teams that almost never give up big returns - I'm not buying that they just happen to always have better players - I'm buying that those coaches know how to coach their kids to not make those mistakes, and on teams that regularly give up big returns, my money is that those coaches either don't know how, or don't want to spend the time it takes.
 
onealcd said:
When a safety bites on a post route I don't really think it has to do with knowing your assignment, just more to do with instincts and trying to make a play. A safety knows he can't let players behind him, has little to do with how much coaching was going on.
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Exactly. Keeping contain on Kickoff coverage is as routine for those guys as a Safety not letting anyone behind him in Cover 2. You can hammer it home to the player all day, every day, but once in a while you get a Rahim Moore that just has a lapse in judgment.
 
This discussion reminds me of my favorite HaLkins anecdote where he kept trying to teach a player to do something, but the player kept messing it up. He went to his head coach and said his players were dumb. His head coach looked at him and told him he was a ****ty coach if he couldn't figure out how to teach the player effectively.

(paraphrased)
 
Darth Snow said:
This discussion reminds me of my favorite HaLkins anecdote where he kept trying to teach a player to do something, but the player kept messing it up. He went to his head coach and said his players were dumb. His head coach looked at him and told him he was a ****ty coach if he couldn't figure out how to teach the player effectively.

(paraphrased)
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Good memory. And quite possibly the only intelligent and real quote (or paraphrase) from the entire Hawkins era.
 
Ronnie Bradford is headed to USC, probably to coach defensive backs. Congratulations on getting that high profile gig, Ronnie.
 
Interesting that we are not hearing anything new on this front. Changes announced after signing day again?
 
aik said:
Ronnie Bradford is headed to USC, probably to coach defensive backs. Congratulations on getting that high profile gig, Ronnie.
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(Loud whisper) Hey, Ronnie! Ronnie! Pssst! Hey, send some of your leftovers to us!
 
Duff Man said:
Interesting that we are not hearing anything new on this front. Changes announced after signing day again?
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If that is the case it better be another wow hire like last year. We need all the help we can get in OL recruiting right now.
 
TC MacCartney was release by the 49ers. Wonder if they find a spot for him on staff. Possibly replace Hagan as director of player development if Hagan takes the RB coach position.
Also the assist OL coach Wolford was let go by the 49ers, he has a pretty good resume if MMac was looking to replace Bernardi.
 
DavisBuff said:
TC MacCartney was release by the 49ers. Wonder if they find a spot for him on staff. Possibly replace Hagan as director of player development if Hagan takes the RB coach position.
Also the assist OL coach Wolford was let go by the 49ers, he has a pretty good resume if MMac was looking to replace Bernardi.
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Always amazing how CU fans think anyone who has any remote association with the program should immediately be hired here. The first criteria should be can they help improve the program. We hired Bill McCartney from Michigan (an he was a Missouri grad), we hired Eddie Crowder from Oklahoma, Jim Leavit had not previous been associated with CU. On of our best assistant coaches every was Ben Gregory (loved that guy) and he came from Nebraska.
 
BlackNGold said:
Always amazing how CU fans think anyone who has any remote association with the program should immediately be hired here. The first criteria should be can they help improve the program. We hired Bill McCartney from Michigan (an he was a Missouri grad), we hired Eddie Crowder from Oklahoma, Jim Leavit had not previous been associated with CU. On of our best assistant coaches every was Ben Gregory (loved that guy) and he came from ****braska.
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Ok I'll take the bait.
TC McCartney has more than a remote association with CU and I'm suggesting a non-coaching position on the staff. Not a bad place to start a young guy at.
Why is someone with CU ties assumed to have that be their only positive attribute. CU alums have an added upside but if there is nothing else they won't work obviously. That said I'm excited about the Chev hire. Loved Hagan, Cabral, Bieniemy and Embree as Assistants. I'm not talking about head coaches or even coordinators, I'm talking about support role assistants who's priority is recruiting talent to CU.
 
BlackNGold said:
Always amazing how CU fans think anyone who has any remote association with the program should immediately be hired here. The first criteria should be can they help improve the program. We hired Bill McCartney from Michigan (an he was a Missouri grad), we hired Eddie Crowder from Oklahoma, Jim Leavit had not previous been associated with CU. On of our best assistant coaches every was Ben Gregory (loved that guy) and he came from ****braska.
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I attribute it to our complex as fans that nobody wants to come here anymore, so only the people who have lived in Boulder before "get it" and would even consider us. In the case of Embree, even give us the hometown discount when negotiating pay because, you know, Boulder sells itself.

It's not entirely flawed as you see plenty of coach movement to other schools and when they assemble a staff they like to bring people they have an association with or who are innately connected via having worked in the region before. Familiarity with CU and its unique challenges and also knowing how to sell it from their own personal experience does help. But when we throw out every name under the sun who has had a mailing address on the Front Range it does seem provincial and defeatist.
 
aik said:
I attribute it to our complex as fans that nobody wants to come here anymore, so only the people who have lived in Boulder before "get it" and would even consider us. In the case of Embree, even give us the hometown discount when negotiating pay because, you know, Boulder sells itself.

It's not entirely flawed as you see plenty of coach movement to other schools and when they assemble a staff they like to bring people they have an association with or who are innately connected via having worked in the region before. Familiarity with CU and its unique challenges and also knowing how to sell it from their own personal experience does help. But when we throw out every name under the sun who has had a mailing address on the Front Range it does seem provincial and defeatist.
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So does this mean Mark Richt is not coming to CU.....
 
leftybuff said:
So does this mean Mark Richt is not coming to CU.....
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No, but you'll never believe those delusional Miami fans who think they have the upper hand because Richt apparently played QB in that part of the state several decades ago.
 
DavisBuff said:
Ok I'll take the bait.
TC McCartney has more than a remote association with CU and I'm suggesting a non-coaching position on the staff. Not a bad place to start a young guy at.
Why is someone with CU ties assumed to have that be their only positive attribute. CU alums have an added upside but if there is nothing else they won't work obviously. That said I'm excited about the Chev hire. Loved Hagan, Cabral, Bieniemy and Embree as Assistants. I'm not talking about head coaches or even coordinators, I'm talking about support role assistants who's priority is recruiting talent to CU.
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A) You have no idea if he can recruit.
B) You want to move Hagan to a job he does not want.

But shouldn't the objective be to improve the program.
 
So I met a running back last night who played under MikeMac at SJSU a few years ago, who went juco and then transferred up to the Nodak. He had really good things to say about Mike, but absolutely HATED Forman. He felt like Forman acted like a plantation owner in the weight room.
 
So I met a running back last night who played under MikeMac at SJSU a few years ago, who went juco and then transferred up to the Nodak. He had really good things to say about Mike, but absolutely HATED Forman. He felt like Forman acted like a plantation owner in the weight room. Hopefully drew can get our boys motivated.
 
FLounder said:
So I met a running back last night who played under MikeMac at SJSU a few years ago, who went juco and then transferred up to the Nodak. He had really good things to say about Mike, but absolutely HATED Forman. He felt like Forman acted like a plantation owner in the weight room. Hopefully drew can get our boys motivated.
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It's actually amazing that mac brought him to bpulder and kept him for 3 years. Quite a few people have said he was a disaster and he didn't even align with macs philosophy. Probably worse than bringing back nienas for this past season.
 
FLounder said:
So I met a running back last night who played under MikeMac at SJSU a few years ago, who went juco and then transferred up to the Nodak. He had really good things to say about Mike, but absolutely HATED Forman. He felt like Forman acted like a plantation owner in the weight room. Hopefully drew can get our boys motivated.
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I think Forman may be the kind of person who has some very innovative ideas but comes across as a madman trying to force others to do things "his" way. I'm a little surprised that with Forman's experience at Stanford that he didn't teach more of the Stanford way to develop our players. Then again maybe the results differ because of the superior type of player they recruit.
 
BlackNGold said:
A) You have no idea if he can recruit.
B) You want to move Hagan to a job he does not want.

But shouldn't the objective be to improve the program.
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A) You are right. I don't know if TC McCartney can recruit. I bring his name up for Director of Player Development as an option to be considered and discussed. I know he is about 1/4 Bill McCartney and he has extended family in the Polynesian community, which I consider both as positives. Don't worry I won't hire him without fully checking out his credentials. Actually, I won't hire him or anyone to the Buffs staff. If I had that ability Wickline and Locksley would be on the staff.
B) From what I have read Hagan has been filling in for the missing AC the last two years. I assumed that he wants to be an AC for the Buffs again, but I don't know that. Where have you heard that he doesn't want to be an AC?
 
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