There's a lot more at risk legally for Urb if he helped hide the matter than if he simply lied to the media about knowing about it.
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Investigation completed: Meyer suspended three games
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And I think that’s exactly why he came out and admitted knowing about it, and stated he followed proper procedures with reporting it. The question is why would he keep Smith on staff for 3 years if he did know about it and report it.
Smith was given two one-year extensions in that timeframe too. Would have been pretty easy for the school to just not renew his contract.
They all knew what was going on but they didn't want to rock the boat while they were winning.
Not that they got caught they are all racing to find somebody else to take the fall.
In the end I think Urban's days are numbered and he will end up taking AD Gene Smith with him.
They have enough money to easily handle the fallout even if they have to pay Meyer and Smith a buyout. Most likely a significant settlement with Courtney Smith (alleged victim of ex-assistant Zack Smith) will be coming as well but unlike some other schools the number of potential victims here is limited.
tOSU will go out and hire a top end HC to replace Meyer and continue on relatively undisturbed by the whole thing.
Seems like a lot of to be just inside the middle class
Rooney did a pretty good job with this. It's hard to speak out and draw distinctions, because you can get killed by the PC police who draw no distinctions. For example, sexual harassment is the same to them as sexual assault in how we treat the victims and perpetrators. There are no degrees, no subtleties. And they get "triggered" when they think a journalist says that the Urban case is worse because they'll take it as defending or minimizing the Tumpkin case.
So I want to commend Rooney for sticking his neck out here and exposing himself, even if he didn't stick it out nearly as far as I might have. And even though he went way out of his way to give some word salad so that he wasn't misconstrued and didn't appear to be coming on too strong. The important thing is that he had the courage to at least put it out there.
So I want to commend Rooney for sticking his neck out here and exposing himself, even if he didn't stick it out nearly as far as I might have. And even though he went way out of his way to give some word salad so that he wasn't misconstrued and didn't appear to be coming on too strong. The important thing is that he had the courage to at least put it out there.
Yeah, I think it's been a really long time since UT has been a viable marquee destination. I do equate Herman going to UT with Frost going to the Nubs. Neither of these moves will end well for these HCs. Then they'll be the next names in the hitch-hiking band of "name" coaches that jump around to B+ job openings....
Ringer
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The biggest differences between the situations are (1) Mac immediately reported it; (2) Tumpkin was fired almost as quickly as possible; and (3) Mac didn't lie to the national press, or anyone else, about it. The worst thing about how CU handled the situation was that Tumpkin was allowed to coach one more game. Absent that, this would have been much less of an issue.
No, UT and kNU are not even close to the same situation.
UT sits in the middle of the richest recruiting areas in the country. Texas kids, the very best Texas kids are looking for an excuse to go to Austin.
Nebraska used to be a big fish in Texas and elsewhere. They aren't anymore and will not be again.
Texas along with OU should dominate that conference. kNU at their best is hoping that a number of other teams are having an off year.
Texas has the recruiting advantages, they have an excellent reputation as a school, and they have money that kNU could only dream of.
It is amazing that they haven't won more than they have over the years.
DrunkRalphie
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The UCLA special.
If Urban reported it properly, is he in the clear? I mean, is he the person that signs the assistant contracts? Or is that the AD? If it is the AD, it seems to me it is the AD decision as to whether to continue to employ this guy. Not trying to defend Urban or anything, just pondering what the facts might be.
Yes. And it would have been better if MM had known and followed the procedure, one of the three failures noted in the report.
The tOSU investigation is key.
We need to hear from Gene Smith. The decision to employ Zac Smith could possibly go higher than Gene Smith.
At best, tOSU gets out of this with “shared responsibility”.
I love how OIEC is above reproach and how MM should have followed a procedure he was never informed of or trained on instead of the procedure that was in place when he was hired, he was trained on, and followed.
Yes. That is one of the failures. Phil should have been fired.
AllStarBuffs
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I have a feeling Urban keeps his job
Bliff Cranch
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Me too. For all the wrong reasons.
Maybe the AD is in trouble but if they expect this to be wrapped up within fourteen days that probably bodes well for Urban's chances to keep it.
because he wins football games better than anyone else except for a dude in tuscaloosa
ahoelsken
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Wait til we learn about the skeleton's in Lil' Nicky's closet. My guess is his coach rehab program is a pretty good place to start. I think Urban stays, but he may sit out the entire year.
I think he goes. The damage from this is irreparable at this point. It would be an ongoing dark cloud.
It seems like there is a lot of amnesia going around the board these days.
Just to re-cap the timeline for those who forgot:
12/10: Victim calls MM
12/10: MM talks to RG
12/11: Victim calls MM again
12/14: Banashek, defense lawyer for Tumpkin, calls victim
12/16: Victim tells MM via text and voicemail she's going to Colorado on 12/19 to get a protective order against Tumpkin. 1 hour later, Banashek calls the victim again
12/16: MM names Tumpkin interim DC for the bowl game
12/20: Protective order issued after interview on 12/19. Broomfield PD informs Banashek.
12/29: CU plays in bowl game with Tumpkin acting as DC
1/5: Banashek contacts victim again; she says she's planning on getting a permanent restraining order on 1/31
1/6: Daily Camera story breaks. RG comments. Later that day, Tumpkin is suspended.
1/27: Charges filed, Tumpkin resigns.
CU had multiple chances to put Tumpkin on leave until these (very serious) allegations were sorted out. They did NOTHING until the story was public knowledge. MM had the chance NOT to elevate Tumpkin to Interim DC when he had heard a credible accusation about Tumpkin being an abuser. To suggest that the situations are equivalent is incorrect. But to suggest that they are not comparable is revisionist history, and something that only makes sense through black and gold glasses.
Just to re-cap the timeline for those who forgot:
12/10: Victim calls MM
12/10: MM talks to RG
12/11: Victim calls MM again
12/14: Banashek, defense lawyer for Tumpkin, calls victim
12/16: Victim tells MM via text and voicemail she's going to Colorado on 12/19 to get a protective order against Tumpkin. 1 hour later, Banashek calls the victim again
12/16: MM names Tumpkin interim DC for the bowl game
12/20: Protective order issued after interview on 12/19. Broomfield PD informs Banashek.
12/29: CU plays in bowl game with Tumpkin acting as DC
1/5: Banashek contacts victim again; she says she's planning on getting a permanent restraining order on 1/31
1/6: Daily Camera story breaks. RG comments. Later that day, Tumpkin is suspended.
1/27: Charges filed, Tumpkin resigns.
CU had multiple chances to put Tumpkin on leave until these (very serious) allegations were sorted out. They did NOTHING until the story was public knowledge. MM had the chance NOT to elevate Tumpkin to Interim DC when he had heard a credible accusation about Tumpkin being an abuser. To suggest that the situations are equivalent is incorrect. But to suggest that they are not comparable is revisionist history, and something that only makes sense through black and gold glasses.
I don't think Urban survives this. His Friday press release essentially places the blame on the AD. In 2015, whatever "investigation" was conducted didn't even include interviewing the battered spouse (i.e. there was no investigation). Then the guy remains on staff for 3 more years, which has to be Urban's call. So I think the AD ultimately puts this on back Urban and he's gone. The 14 days buys OSU attorneys time to find cause to fire him without the buyout.
Yes. That's why CU personnel got into some trouble here and did handle it incorrectly. However, it was handled in the way MM and RG had been trained by OIEC -- that this was not an issue for OIEC since it happened off campus and didn't involve a student or employee. (That policy changed but MM and RG were not re-trained.) PD told them that it wasn't necessary to report or suspend. I don't know if Tumpkin would have been relieved from his position if his alleged victim had never gone public, but I have concerns that if he'd been able to negotiate a settlement that this would have quietly gone away. I suspect that is what happens a lot and that there are a hell of a lot more than the 1 or 2 DV cases a year that we actually hear about from the college coaching ranks.
Point of clarification, though. I know that you like to keep saying "named interim DC", but that never actually happened. Tumpkin called plays/formations for the defense, which was something he'd been involved with all year anyway. There was no title change. There was a pickup of responsibilities because we were down to having only 3 defensive coaches on staff.
I think the craziest part of the timeline is DiStephano's inaction. The first time he approached CU legal counsel about the issue was basically pulling him aside for a quick conversation at a bowl game event. That seems like an important call to make ASAP after you given the initial info.
What bothers me the most about this whole thing was the politics. Phil D told MM and RG the wrong thing despite every indication from other situations showing that he knew better. Beyond that, he was a boneheaded executive by not even talking to legal council immediately when there was an accusation of DV made against a high profile university employee. Then, you've got OIEC that didn't even do its frickin job because when reporting policies changed they neglected to remember that athletic department employees were part of the university and also needed to be re-trained just like everyone else.
But some people and groups have political cover and some don't. I just hope that RG and MM get some concessions in how the Regents take care of them after they took all the heat over this.
ahoelsken
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Again, the only similarity here is an assistant coach being accused of Domestic Violence. The Ohio State/Urban Meyer situation is far worse than what happened here-Meyer knew about the 2009 accusation against Zach Smith, and was likely (seems like a safe bet given his mentor Earle Bruce and life coach were the two individuals who went to Courtney Smith) involved in an effort to talk Courtney Smith out of pressing charges. Urban then re-hired Smith at OSU when he got that job. Did CU make mistakes in the way they handled Tumpkin? Yes-and nobody on here will disagree with that take. Having said that, both MacIntyre and Rick George satisfied their obligations as they understood them-the OIEC/Dr. Phil dropped the ball here.
