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In denial no longer - 2016 was mostly Leavitt

'16 was a perfect storm of a variety of factors. Primarily a talented group of uppeclassmen who were determined to leave their mark on the program. Second was the fact the pac12 was experiencing a down year (similar to this year in fact). Third was a ****ing bulldog as DC.

I don't think I would ever want Leavitt as our HC, but we should have backed up the brinks truck to keep him at DC.
 
Leavitt is big time, but 2016 was a convergence of a lot of positive things. Yes, JL was ready to make it happen, but he cannot take that much credit.

My question for Elliott is that I see pretty much 2 defensive calls? All out blitz, or vanilla cover 1. Nothing else creative seems to be called.
 
To his credit, Leavitt seemed like an outstanding motivator for that team; if nothing else, he was the emotional engine. Not sure if the tactics would have gotten stale over time, but a certain spark seems to be missing with this squad. Several games now have been there for the taking.
 
Mac did it at SJSU for one season and he did it at CU for one season. The common denominator was a junior/senior laden team that had everything come together. Leaving played a big role in it, but give Mac credit for managing that team and season as well. I’d blame is placed at his feet for these last two seasons, then you can’t just not give him credit for 2016
 
lawdogg said:
To his credit, Leavitt seemed like an outstanding motivator for that team; if nothing else, he was the emotional engine. Not sure if the tactics would have gotten stale over time, but a certain spark seems to be missing with this squad. Several games now have been there for the taking.
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This - especially the bolded. That man's energy and excitement was (and I assume still is) infectious. Would it age well? I don't know, but coach dad pants seems to still be doing ok (in college), so maybe there's something to it (in college).

So much about successful head coaches is about "fit." It's why the same coach can be very successful at one stop and a failure at another, or vice - versa.

Would Leavitt be a good "fit" as HC at CU?

Part of me thinks he actually would - but not in the way we would expect.

He would be a good fit not because he is such a close match to the university's culture, but because he isn't.

Think back to the first coach Mac. Tell me, do you seriously think he was a cultural match for the University of Colorado at Boulder?

Where we are right here, right now, I think Leavitt would challenge the culture at CU in a positive way. The school's culture really is somewhere in whatever the millennial version of "trust fund hippie" is.

A coach that produces a team that is tough, one that's not "charmin soft," is going to be one that challenges the university's culture. And that's probably a good thing.

CU's great teams have never really "out finessed" anyone, which is probably what would match the university's culture. But we don't have a competitive advantage there - we'll always be behind Oregon, or UCLA, or even USC if we try and compete on that dimension.

The successful Colorado teams punch you in the mouth, and then get up and do it again. That doesn't exactly match Boulder's culture, does it?

But it's where our competitive advantage lies: top notch public school in great location (lots of those in our conference) that plays smashmouth football (not many of those). And, lucky for us, the only other conference schools that come close to those descriptions aren't in our division.

The right "fit" for a coach at CU is going to challenge the university's culture. Whether Leavitt is the right coach for that role or not, I'm not sure. But he definitely ticks a lot of the boxes.
 
skibum said:
This - especially the bolded. That man's energy and excitement was (and I assume still is) infectious. Would it age well? I don't know, but coach dad pants seems to still be doing ok (in college), so maybe there's something to it (in college).

So much about successful head coaches is about "fit." It's why the same coach can be very successful at one stop and a failure at another, or vice - versa.

Would Leavitt be a good "fit" as HC at CU?

Part of me thinks he actually would - but not in the way we would expect.

He would be a good fit not because he is such a close match to the university's culture, but because he isn't.

Think back to the first coach Mac. Tell me, do you seriously think he was a cultural match for the University of Colorado at Boulder?

Where we are right here, right now, I think Leavitt would challenge the culture at CU in a positive way. The school's culture really is somewhere in whatever the millennial version of "trust fund hippie" is.

A coach that produces a team that is tough, one that's not "charmin soft," is going to be one that challenges the university's culture. And that's probably a good thing.

CU's great teams have never really "out finessed" anyone, which is probably what would match the university's culture. But we don't have a competitive advantage there - we'll always be behind Oregon, or UCLA, or even USC if we try and compete on that dimension.

The successful Colorado teams punch you in the mouth, and then get up and do it again. That doesn't exactly match Boulder's culture, does it?

But it's where our competitive advantage lies: top notch public school in great location (lots of those in our conference) that plays smashmouth football (not many of those). And, lucky for us, the only other conference schools that come close to those descriptions aren't in our division.

The right "fit" for a coach at CU is going to challenge the university's culture. Whether Leavitt is the right coach for that role or not, I'm not sure. But he definitely ticks a lot of the boxes.
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id hire leavitt tonite to be our head coach... win or lose at least we would see some emotion on the sideline instead of the deer in headlight look we get now...but it isnt going to happen
 
skibum said:
Where we are right here, right now, I think Leavitt would challenge the culture at CU in a positive way. The school's culture really is somewhere in whatever the millennial version of "trust fund hippie" is.
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"Trust fund hippie" is a term us millenials understand.
 
skibum said:
This - especially the bolded. That man's energy and excitement was (and I assume still is) infectious. Would it age well? I don't know, but coach dad pants seems to still be doing ok (in college), so maybe there's something to it (in college).

So much about successful head coaches is about "fit." It's why the same coach can be very successful at one stop and a failure at another, or vice - versa.

Would Leavitt be a good "fit" as HC at CU?

Part of me thinks he actually would - but not in the way we would expect.

He would be a good fit not because he is such a close match to the university's culture, but because he isn't.

Think back to the first coach Mac. Tell me, do you seriously think he was a cultural match for the University of Colorado at Boulder?

Where we are right here, right now, I think Leavitt would challenge the culture at CU in a positive way. The school's culture really is somewhere in whatever the millennial version of "trust fund hippie" is.

A coach that produces a team that is tough, one that's not "charmin soft," is going to be one that challenges the university's culture. And that's probably a good thing.

CU's great teams have never really "out finessed" anyone, which is probably what would match the university's culture. But we don't have a competitive advantage there - we'll always be behind Oregon, or UCLA, or even USC if we try and compete on that dimension.

The successful Colorado teams punch you in the mouth, and then get up and do it again. That doesn't exactly match Boulder's culture, does it?

But it's where our competitive advantage lies: top notch public school in great location (lots of those in our conference) that plays smashmouth football (not many of those). And, lucky for us, the only other conference schools that come close to those descriptions aren't in our division.

The right "fit" for a coach at CU is going to challenge the university's culture. Whether Leavitt is the right coach for that role or not, I'm not sure. But he definitely ticks a lot of the boxes.
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If that's the goal - and I think it should be along with giving recruiting a shot in the arm - then I think that Les Miles is a better option if he's interested. The relationship with RG and his ability to interact with boosters to help drive fundraising is also a big deal. And our head of athletics fundraising & the Buff Club is Ben Broussard, who came from LSU and worked with Miles for a lot of years.
 
Buffnik said:
If that's the goal - and I think it should be along with giving recruiting a shot in the arm - then I think that Les Miles is a better option if he's interested. The relationship with RG and his ability to interact with boosters to help drive fundraising is also a big deal. And our head of athletics fundraising & the Buff Club is Ben Broussard, who came from LSU and worked with Miles for a lot of years.
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if the crazy hatter was here at least it would be entertaining in folsom
 
I don't think you can just say you give Jim Leavitt credit for 2016. There are a lot of moving parts, but in my opinion MacIntyre's major failing is how he hires and maintains his staff. Turnover in staff is a fact of life in college football - McCartney constantly had turnover and was always bringing very competent guys to replace those who leave. MacIntyre does not do that - he wastes the money that is given to him for assistants. He does not poach guys from other programs, he hires out of work guys or guys from lower level programs who don't have other opportunities. Even Chiaverini does not have much of a resume to be an offensive coordinator and he is one of the guys we actually did hire away from a P5 program. We give more money now, long term contracts but CU fails, IMO, to improve the staff. I would have to believe around the Pac 12 this is one of the lowest rated staffs.
 
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I never said that I give Leavitt all the credit for 2016.

I sad "most". And obviously I meant that from a coaching standpoint.

Of course there were other factors.
 
Is the purpose of the OP to make the case that Mac can’t get it done without really good assistant coaches? You get no argument from me. Fire him and move on. If the OP is to make a case for hiring Leavitt, no thanks.
 
DBT said:
Is the purpose of the OP to make the case that Mac can’t get it done without really good assistant coaches? You get no argument from me. Fire him and move on. If the OP is to make a case for hiring Leavitt, no thanks.
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Buffnik said:
If that's the goal - and I think it should be along with giving recruiting a shot in the arm - then I think that Les Miles is a better option if he's interested. The relationship with RG and his ability to interact with boosters to help drive fundraising is also a big deal. And our head of athletics fundraising & the Buff Club is Ben Broussard, who came from LSU and worked with Miles for a lot of years.
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What would he bring with him in terms of assistants?
 
leftybuff said:
We're sorry Mrs. MacIntyre.
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No I'm sorry. I wasnt aware you all had experimental surgery to have your balls removed. Srsly the defeatist attitude some people here have is ****ing disgusting. 'we were only good in 2016 because of leavitt'... Go **** yourself. You discredit every person involved with the team from the 1's to scout team to athletic trainers. No wonder the University has a reputation for not giving a **** about football. Half the people here are pretty much 'face it we're a mediocre program, 2016 was a fluke'. **** you
 
Bamalam CB#22 said:
No I'm sorry. I wasnt aware you all had experimental surgery to have your balls removed. Srsly the defeatist attitude some people here have is ****ing disgusting. 'we were only good in 2016 because of leavitt'... Go **** yourself. You discredit every person involved with the team from the 1's to scout team to athletic trainers. No wonder the University has a reputation for not giving a **** about football. Half the people here are pretty much 'face it we're a mediocre program, 2016 was a fluke'. **** you
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Touchy, touchy. You have a minority opinion. One way out of the mainstream. You suggest those who disagree with you have been emasculated, and then when someone makes light of your over the top irrationality, you say f you. Need a tissue?
 
leftybuff said:
Touchy, touchy. You have a minority opinion. One way out of the mainstream. You suggest those who disagree with you have been emasculated, and then when someone makes light of your over the top irrationality, you say f you. Need a tissue?
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No there were too many quotes to my original post I didn't care to read so I just picked the most recent
 
Bamalam CB#22 said:
No there were too many quotes to my original post I didn't care to read so I just picked the most recent
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Fair enough. I want to see CU FB to do well. I think we probably disagree, but I no longer think MikMac has much to offer. I am ready for a change. If you feel differently, that's cool. I am not sure suggesting people had their balls removed is going to draw a favorable response.

Peace.
 
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