3 year contract....with QVC. Let's sell some blocking systems!
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#Fire Coach Dorrell
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How can you kill a coach if he's already DOA ?
Really? He was DC at Michigan.
| 1974 | Michigan | 10–1 | 7–1 | T–1st | 5 | 3 | |
| 1975 | Michigan | 8–2–2 | 7–1 | 2nd | L Orange | 8 | 8 |
| 1976 | Michigan | 10–2 | 7–1 | T–1st | L Rose | 3 | 3 |
| 1977 | Michigan | 10–2 | 7–1 | T–1st | L Rose | 8 | 9 |
| 1978 | Michigan | 10–2 | 7–1 | T–1st | L Rose | 5 | 5 |
| 1979 | Michigan | 8–4 | 6–2 | 3rd | L Gator | 19 | 18 |
| 1980 | Michigan | 10–2 | 8–0 | 1st | W Rose | 4 | 4 |
| 1981 | Michigan | 9–3 | 6–3 | T–3rd | W Bluebonnet | 10 | 12 |
The Hiring of Bill McCartney – The Unlikely Choice – CU At the Game
www.cuatthegame.com
In 1980, after devising a six defensive back scheme to stop Purdue quarterback Mark Hermann, McCartney was actually named the Big Ten’s Player of the Week (it may be the first – and only – time that a coach was named Player of the Week).
Bill McCartney has deep ties to both Colorado, Michigan football
McCartney was a U-M assistant under Bo Schembechler; his family has a long history with the Harbaughs
www.freep.com
Jack Harbaugh, whose son Jim is now Michigan’s head coach, was on the U-M staff when McCartney arrived and knew it was an impressive hire. He spent two to three years sharing an office with McCartney.
“He’s one of the brightest coaches that I’ve ever been around,” Jack Harbaugh said this week. “He was a deep thinker. He was very close to his players, the team rallied around him and he brought a great asset to our program. It was good for me, from the standpoint being a football coach and being around him every day.”
Ugh we are basically in 99% agreement so I'll remain nice but I'm literally saying recruiting matters and your counter argument is basically, see look at these teams they have top ten recruiting classes every year and they're able to win 8 games a year despite bad coaching. That's my whole point. Cu can't recruit at that level yet no matter the coach, these teams are examples of what happens with **** coaching. If fsu had good coaching they wouldn't be 21-29 since 2017 (including this year) while averaging the 16th best class in that timeframe. If you need a reminder, they play in the acc. Beating up on duke, Syracuse and BC to fluff your record to 21-29 is terrible especially when you have the 16th best class on average.
If Texas had a decent coach post Mac brown, they'd be a national title contender again. Texas's record against OU since 2010 is 3-9. They've won zero cc's since 2010 compared to what 8 or 9 for ou. What's the difference between OU and Texas when Texas has better classes in all but 3 years in that timeframe? Texas's overall record since 2017 is 33-19. They've been losing basically two games out of every 5 played for the past 5 years...for a team loaded with 5 stars, yeah that's ****ing garbage.
Michigan's six years prior to Jim saw a 43-34 record and an average class rank 14.5. Harbaugh is 55-22 with an average class rank 15.6... the better coach has 2 more wins per year with a worse team recruiting rank average.
If Colorado can get back to top 25 recruiting classes every year by hiring a nick Saban like recruiter, I'd be happy as ****. There is no doubt we'd be bowling every year. But if you're asking which is more likely to occur that will improve cu's on field football performance; out recruiting fsu/Miami/Michigan every year or getting rid of darrin "Jimmy's and Joe's x's and o's 63 yards a game" chev, I'd tell you it's quite obvious. Cfb is loaded with examples of teams vastly under/over performing their recruiting rank. We'd need a top 15 class every year to offset chev and good ****ing luck with that
I’d be happy to out recruit Arizona and Vanderbilt at this point. We’re never going to recruit like Texas or Michigan, but we should expect to be recruiting in the top half of our conference every year. At least that way when a coach leaves or is fired, it’s not a complete rebuild for the next guy.
One thing that I do appreciate about KD is his efficiency- he turned in a performance so bad in his NINTH GAME as CU head coach that everyone has already started calling for him to be fired. I appreciate how quickly he got us all to this state- it took 5 years for us to get here with Hawkins (mostly thanks to DBT) and 4 to get here with MM.
I don't think I've seen even a single person suggest that CU shouldn't fire KD as soon as possible.
I don't think I've seen even a single person suggest that CU shouldn't fire KD as soon as possible.
According to this, Rod and Langsdorf contract are up at the end of this year.
Regents approve contracts for CU Buffs football assistants
The Colorado Board of Regents has approved the contracts for five new football assistant coaches, as well as a restructured deal for offensive coordinator Darrin Chiaverini.
www.buffzone.com
That's nice. Let's hope RG didn't negotiate a coach only renewal option for another year into those contracts.According to this, Rod and Langsdorf contract are up at the end of this year.
Regents approve contracts for CU Buffs football assistants
The Colorado Board of Regents has approved the contracts for five new football assistant coaches, as well as a restructured deal for offensive coordinator Darrin Chiaverini.
best news I've heard all dayAccording to this, Rod and Langsdorf contract are up at the end of this year.
Regents approve contracts for CU Buffs football assistants
The Colorado Board of Regents has approved the contracts for five new football assistant coaches, as well as a restructured deal for offensive coordinator Darrin Chiaverini.
We've now reached the unrealistic option for the HC position that is not likely to become available stage of our grief.
I think he gets another 2 years of $5M per from UT after this year.
Maybe he'll cash out by staying in the NFL and CU can hire him for 2024 with the new media deal money.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
That move should have been made the minute Texas axed him.
How is Tom Herman unrealistic? He made 3 million his last year at Houston and it's not like he was making Dabo Sweeney money at Texas. USC has the pick of the litter so I doubt they'll hire him given his 8-4 per year record at Texas. If he wants to get back into cfb, I doubt he wants to go to a school like USF or Cincinnati just to replace Fickell. I'd bet a power 5 gig at a school like CU looks pretty good to him
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
USC is likely hiring somebody with ties to USC.
Not sure. They went outside the family for AD because of how bad the alum train wreck became in the AD role. Kind of similar with promoting HCs from within the program (or formerly on staff) ever since Pete Carroll left.
That attitude is essentially what kept Clay Helton around at USC for 3 years too long.
If you don’t think the guy can get you to where you’re going, why hold onto him for longer than necessary?
I've been wrong before. Scoreboard is more important than what I think. The key is that he doesn't allow this season to implode and then makes staff changes. And I strongly believe he needs to put much more emphasis on recruiting.
Why would CU look good to him? The recruiting region? The big money donors? The big assistant salary pool? The multi year contracts for assistant coaches? Or maybe the admission standards look good? Tom Herman will get a job somewhere with real football program support from the university.
Your last sentence is the reason.
Universities with "real football programs" will say "we don't/can't support football more than UT does, and he failed there, so why would he be successful here?" They will also look at the stellar records of other coaches after UT fired them.
Now, OTOH, if he came to CU and was somewhat successful - now that would put a different spin on his UT firing. They would actually look at him in that scenario.
Which means that you would have to convince him that he could be successful at CU.
And that's real reason it's a pipe dream.
I suspect most of the #FireDorrell crowd (myself included) thought he was a bad hire from day 1 and this season is beginning to show why - he’s pretty much exactly who we were afraid he was in February 2020 - a character guy who everyone really likes, but a bad recruiter who no one besides CU wanted to coach their football team.
I think what pisses me off the most about recruiting is that you don't have to be the ultimate salesman to do well recruiting. Yes, some people are naturally talented, but at the end of the day sales is almost entirely effort.
All any coach would have to do to have moderate success recruiting at CU is:
1. Prioritize it.
2. Work hard at it.
3. Demand that your employees work hard at it.
That's it. If you do those things you'll at least get to Pac 12 average recruiting. We don't need the second coming of coach Mac to get to average, we just need someone who prioritizes recruiting, works at it, and demands that their assistants work hard at it. It's not ****ing cancer research.
All any coach would have to do to have moderate success recruiting at CU is:
1. Prioritize it.
2. Work hard at it.
3. Demand that your employees work hard at it.
That's it. If you do those things you'll at least get to Pac 12 average recruiting. We don't need the second coming of coach Mac to get to average, we just need someone who prioritizes recruiting, works at it, and demands that their assistants work hard at it. It's not ****ing cancer research.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I think there's a balance here. Its okay to be concerned with what we're watching-especially offensively. This offense has been putrid for the last two weeks. That being said, you're right-and I'd add Dorrell fired a coordinator last year in Tyson Summers who did underperform here-and promoted a guy who has already shown he's a clear upgrade (and don't come back at me with "Well who else would have hired Wilson?")
McCartney was a very smart and effective defensive coach.Really? He was DC at Michigan.
McCartney was in charge of defensive ends from 1974-76, moving up to the job of defensive coordinator in 1977.
1974 Michigan 10–1 7–1 T–1st 5 3 1975 Michigan 8–2–2 7–1 2nd L Orange 8 8 1976 Michigan 10–2 7–1 T–1st L Rose 3 3 1977 Michigan 10–2 7–1 T–1st L Rose 8 9 1978 Michigan 10–2 7–1 T–1st L Rose 5 5 1979 Michigan 8–4 6–2 3rd L Gator 19 18 1980 Michigan 10–2 8–0 1st W Rose 4 4 1981 Michigan 9–3 6–3 T–3rd W Bluebonnet 10 12
Coach McCartney did bring to the program a fine coaching pedigree, coming from Bo Schembechler’s program at Michigan, where he had been an assistant coach for the previous seven seasons. McCartney also brought with him a reputation for being a recruiter and a defensive strategist.The Hiring of Bill McCartney – The Unlikely Choice – CU At the Game
In 1980, after devising a six defensive back scheme to stop Purdue quarterback Mark Hermann, McCartney was actually named the Big Ten’s Player of the Week (it may be the first – and only – time that a coach was named Player of the Week).
The only high school coach Schembechler ever hired as an assistant, McCartney stayed for eight years, rising to defensive coordinator.Bill McCartney has deep ties to both Colorado, Michigan football
McCartney was a U-M assistant under Bo Schembechler; his family has a long history with the Harbaughswww.freep.com
Jack Harbaugh, whose son Jim is now Michigan’s head coach, was on the U-M staff when McCartney arrived and knew it was an impressive hire. He spent two to three years sharing an office with McCartney.
“He’s one of the brightest coaches that I’ve ever been around,” Jack Harbaugh said this week. “He was a deep thinker. He was very close to his players, the team rallied around him and he brought a great asset to our program. It was good for me, from the standpoint being a football coach and being around him every day.”
He was also smart enough as a head coach to know what he didn't know and find assistants who filled those gaps. He trusted and empowered those assistants to make decisions and do their jobs and more often than not it paid off.
A testament to the quality of his hires is the number of them who ended up as head coaches elsewhere and who had long and respected careers outside of Colorado.
He was also though smart enough to hire guys who also shared his passion for coaching and recruiting. He demanded a high energy level.
So, in other words, you think we should stick with Karl Dorrell because the situation in boulder is so disadvantageous the best we could ever hope for was a career 6-7 coach? You're drawing a hard line in the sand at 7-6 huh? 6-7 = good, 8-4 no way west Virginia is gonna steal them from us so don't even try.
6-6 and a bowl game more than 2x in 15 years? Yes please. 7-6 wing season? ****ing sign me up. KD should never have been hired in the first place. You are naive if you are not acknowledging the disadvantages I listed that CU has when it come to attracting coaching candidates. Those disadvantages l are why I think coaches like Tom Herman are unrealistic options. He got fired for going 8-4 at UT. At this rate of recruiting, by the time KD and co are done we’ll have a serious talent gap to make up again for the next HC.
I think we would all love to have Herman, but where people differ is the idea that he would come here at all.
Assistant coaching contracts and admin not admitting players like the tcu transfer are legit problems. The others are things Colorado fans like to bitch about. If you're argument would've been chip Kelly, yeah almost every program would take him, he probably wouldn't choose cu.
I'm trying to bridge the gap between Kd and Herman. Idk how you think we can get an upgrade from Kd but think someone like Tom Herman is out of our league.