Paging Clemsonjust a reminder that (at least to my knowledge) none of the conference GoRs have yet to be challenged in court.
until one of them does and stands up to it, I'm not convinced they're all that binding.
Paging Clemsonjust a reminder that (at least to my knowledge) none of the conference GoRs have yet to be challenged in court.
until one of them does and stands up to it, I'm not convinced they're all that binding.
nobody knows the real numbers outside of ESPN and the SEC, but some estimates have the SEC getting paid an estimated 4x for carriers in region vs out of region. adding the Virginia and North Carolina markets to their regions could give the SEC extra $100m's per year.Unless a UNC game on its SEC platform is worth so much more margin than a UNC game on its ACC platform that it's worth it to pay up - especially in consideration of the risk that FOX could poach UNC to its B1G platform.
In a lot of ways, this is reminding me of when HBO & Showtime tried to take over boxing. That failed, but we don't have the same "independent promoter PPV" factor at play.
huge if true
If only ESPN, ABC, or Fox cared about your cute little theory in their contract negotiations.Right, ok. Stats 101 was hard I guess
Step 1 Normalize the variable
Avg viewership per team that year (we'll be extremely generous to the pac 12 teams)-
Washington 2.5 mil + wazzou 750k
OU 3 mil + WVU 500k
Iowa and corn 1.5 mil each for a total of 3 mil
Step 2 Test association
The apple cup included teams who average 3.25 mil any other game (lol) and 4.7 mil for a gain of ~1.5 mil viewers
OU vs WVU avg 3.5 but got 5.7 mil viewers for a gain of 2.2 mil
Do you see where I'm going with this genius?... Using absurd numbers for the pac and realistic for NU vs Iowa (700k gain) the story is a little different. Using the real avg viewership for UW and WAZZU, lets just say it's 1.5 mil and 350k respectively, that would mean an extra 2.3 million fans tuned in for that game...I'm guessing a few of them are SEC fans. Lol, nice try
Mostly agree with this, although I would say if they go to 24 each, CU almost assuredly has a spot. I don't think it's bulletproof.Let's put it this way, if for whatever reason the conferences are looking to eventually go to 24 teams, I think CU definitely has a spot. At 20/each, they do not.
So you are basing your "compelling argument" on CU having a unicorn season and people flocking to Folsom. I have been going to CU football games for 6 decades (or maybe 7) and had season tickets for several of those decades. At one time I told myself that people would move to metro Denver and would love CU football as much as I did and we would be unstoppable, reality has stepped up and kicked me in the a**. I am not sure in all that time that CU had an entire sold out season - maybe 88 and 89. The university does not love CU Football. So based on my real world experience, CU is never going to sell out year in and year out. And if you have to have a unicorn season to get fans in the seats you really don't have a great fan base. So no, there is no compelling argument that CU has a fervent fan base that makes it attractive to ESPN or FOX relative to other average programs.They're raw attendance and % increase/% of stadium capacity numbers from 6 years ago, not back in 1990. You don't think fans would show up to Folsom in droves if CU won 10 games and played in the Pac 12 Championship Game in 2022?
So you are basing your "compelling argument" on CU having a unicorn season and people flocking to Folsom. I have been going to CU football games for 6 decades (or maybe 7) and had season tickets for several of those decades. At one time I told myself that people would move to metro Denver and would love CU football as much as I did and we would be unstoppable, reality has stepped up and kicked me in the a**. I am not sure in all that time that CU had an entire sold out season - maybe 88 and 89. The university does not love CU Football. So based on my real world experience, CU is never going to sell out year in and year out. And if you have to have a unicorn season to get fans in the seats you really don't have a great fan base. So no, there is no compelling argument that CU has a fervent fan base that makes it attractive to ESPN or FOX relative to other average programs.
CU has never sold out their home slate for a full season. Not once. not even 1990 or 1991.So you are basing your "compelling argument" on CU having a unicorn season and people flocking to Folsom. I have been going to CU football games for 6 decades (or maybe 7) and had season tickets for several of those decades. At one time I told myself that people would move to metro Denver and would love CU football as much as I did and we would be unstoppable, reality has stepped up and kicked me in the a**. I am not sure in all that time that CU had an entire sold out season - maybe 88 and 89. The university does not love CU Football. So based on my real world experience, CU is never going to sell out year in and year out. And if you have to have a unicorn season to get fans in the seats you really don't have a great fan base. So no, there is no compelling argument that CU has a fervent fan base that makes it attractive to ESPN or FOX relative to other average programs.
Maybe Walton will relocate the Broncos to Little Rock.CU has never sold out their home slate for a full season. Not once. not even 1990 or 1991.
So playing it out to where UNC, FSU, Clemson and UVA go to the SEC to put them at 20 and then UW, Oregon, Miami and ND go to B1G to put them at 20, who is left?Mostly agree with this, although I would say if they go to 24 each, CU almost assuredly has a spot. I don't think it's bulletproof.
Klatt is good at what he does but all the Fox guys (like Brando) have been out there saying this is good for college football is much needed change that will lead to better things and its hard not to think they are just shilling for the company line. Brando was trying to act like the money won't matter because Cincinnati made the playoffs last year and ignoring the fact that its quite possible the P2 could just say "we're the playoff now".Klatt also says that he believes that college football will be better as a result of all of this.
I do not agree.
CU had the highest attendance/ticket sales in terms of percentage of capacity in the Pac 12 last season and they've been consistently in the top third of the conference in most years. Fans showed up to a boring 4-8 product among multiple seasons in a row of 5-7. You choose to view 2016 as a unicorn season. Ok, that doesn't change the fact that fans showed up in droves to Folsom that year and the year after, pointing to the fact that this state will support a winning football program.So you are basing your "compelling argument" on CU having a unicorn season and people flocking to Folsom. I have been going to CU football games for 6 decades (or maybe 7) and had season tickets for several of those decades. At one time I told myself that people would move to metro Denver and would love CU football as much as I did and we would be unstoppable, reality has stepped up and kicked me in the a**. I am not sure in all that time that CU had an entire sold out season - maybe 88 and 89. The university does not love CU Football. So based on my real world experience, CU is never going to sell out year in and year out. And if you have to have a unicorn season to get fans in the seats you really don't have a great fan base. So no, there is no compelling argument that CU has a fervent fan base that makes it attractive to ESPN or FOX relative to other average programs.
i think assuming that both conferences go to 20 is questionable, but let's play it out.So playing it out to where UNC, FSU, Clemson and UVA go to the SEC to put them at 20 and then UW, Oregon, Miami and ND go to B1G to put them at 20, who is left?
Pac 12 - CU, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, Utah, OSU, WSU
Big 12 - Ok State, TCU, TTU, Baylor, BYU, ISU, Cincy, WVU, UCF, Houston, KU, KSU
ACC - Va Tech, Louisville, Wake Forrest, NC State, GT, Duke, BC, Syracuse, Pitt
Starting with the ones who are almost assuredly OUT... Oregon State, Wazzu, TTU, ISU, UCF, KSU, Wake, NC State, Cuse, BC, Houston
Ones I think are long shots due to market saturation/being in the same state with a power program that won't allow it... Cincy, Baylor, Pitt, GT, Louisville
So we are down to 13 programs for 8 spots... CU, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Ok State, TCU, BYU, WVU, KU, VT, Duke
Who gets the invite from that group and which 5 get left out? Does MBB play into the decision? Tell me which assumptions I have wrong here.
I'll get to them but you're missing the point, it's not a theory (in layman's terms). I proved it using the most basic of statistical measuring and the numbers you gave me yourself.If only ESPN, ABC, or Fox cared about your cute little theory in their contract negotiations.
TCU, WVU, Duke, Cal ..after that it gets tough... probably BYUSo playing it out to where UNC, FSU, Clemson and UVA go to the SEC to put them at 20 and then UW, Oregon, Miami and ND go to B1G to put them at 20, who is left?
Pac 12 - CU, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, Utah, OSU, WSU
Big 12 - Ok State, TCU, TTU, Baylor, BYU, ISU, Cincy, WVU, UCF, Houston, KU, KSU
ACC - Va Tech, Louisville, Wake Forrest, NC State, GT, Duke, BC, Syracuse, Pitt
Starting with the ones who are almost assuredly OUT... Oregon State, Wazzu, TTU, ISU, UCF, KSU, Wake, NC State, Cuse, BC, Houston
Ones I think are long shots due to market saturation/being in the same state with a power program that won't allow it... Cincy, Baylor, Pitt, GT, Louisville
So we are down to 13 programs for 8 spots... CU, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Ok State, TCU, BYU, WVU, KU, VT, Duke
Who gets the invite from that group and which 5 get left out? Does MBB play into the decision? Tell me which assumptions I have wrong here.
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Catch up on the thread. This is a good break down…I don't get all of the talk of Oregon and Washington being the hottest commodities left in the Pac 12. I get Oregon and the sweet Nike money buying relevance of late through absurd facilities and "cool" uniforms, but that is all they have. It is a fairly mediocre school in a small town that is a haul from Portland. As for UW, I live in Seattle. There are a lot of UW alumni in the area, but there are also a ton of alumni from WSU and out of state schools, so UW does not have the city locked down by any stretch and they don't sell out many games. I am not sure what their local TV ratings are but they can't be that high. The city is all about the Seahawks and pro sports teams. It is not much different than Denver to be honest. Also, UW really has had some horrible teams in the last 20 years. I wouldn't discount CU too much when stacked up against either school if you look at history and the big picture.
OkState.TCU, WVU, Duke, Cal ..after that it gets tough... probably BYU
interesting video. Not sure it really makes a ton of sense though. Also, CU stacks up pretty well given how bad it has been of late.Catch up on the thread. This is a good break down…
SIAP, but worth watching:
CU had the highest attendance/ticket sales in terms of percentage of capacity in the Pac 12 last season and they've been consistently in the top third of the conference in most years. Fans showed up to a boring 4-8 product among multiple seasons in a row of 5-7. You choose to view 2016 as a unicorn season. Ok, that doesn't change the fact that fans showed up in droves to Folsom that year and the year after, pointing to the fact that this state will support a winning football program.
Colorado is a fairweather/bandwagon sports state outside of the Broncos. You know how many Avs fans were created here from winning the Cup? Look at the Nuggets support over the last few years relative to before Jokic and after Melo. It's a small sample size for CU because they have only had one good season in recent memory, but I'm not sure why you don't think it's a valid point.
So anyway…
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