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22-23 Transfer Portal and General Recruiting Catch-All Thread
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SerenityBuff
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Oh damn
It's a bull**** system. So yeah. If I had a twitter account and maybe an audience, I would have tweeted that last year on CU's behalf.
It's likely to help CU now with our new coach but it is still something that is driving me away from college football.
Yep. I took this year off (first time I haven't be pretty obsessed in the fully 35 years of my life). I missed my time in Folsom the most. But even as I feel the excitement of the Prime hire, I'm wondering if my time with college football is coming to an end. The portal blows.
I said it during the off-season, but even though the portal and NIL are both “right” for the players, it’s bad for the sport (and ultimately the consumer) overall.
Lots of other stuff too. Expanded playoffs, NIL deals, conference expansion, out of conference games being held in sterile NFL environments, kids sitting out bowl games, players leaving early for the NFL, loosening of academic standards, and probably other stuff I can't think of right now. These are all relatively new developments that in my mind go against what has always made me interested in college football - tradition, gameday experience/atmosphere, and passion of players and fans. Every time college football has changed in the last 20 years or so I think it has been to the detriment of the sport. But I suppose it was inevitable. Maybe winning (if it happens) will bring me back, but I'm not sure.
SerenityBuff
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I don't know if the portal is objectively "right" for the players, especially now that they're earning large sums of money via boosters under the guise of NIL. If they want to get paid in college, fine, I'm all for that. But have them sign a contract as professionals. Pros can't just decide to go play for another team in the middle of a contract. They shouldn't have it both ways. In any case, this is all very messy.
Allowing players to pick where they attend school is definitely the right thing to do. Allowing them to make money off their NIL is the right thing to do. Of course we can discuss rules that should probably be instituted around those basic concepts, but many rules would mean recognizing them as employees, forming unions, etc.
A commissioner is needed. Level set rules for scheduling, and recruiting that are policed and enforced are needed.
Always BUFF
I post stupid ****
Could you be a little more definitive?..sounds vanilla considering the majority here have at minimum a high school diploma.
ie..how is it bad for the consumer?...never a win reminding people what you posted..we don't give a ****.
Definitive? Sounds vanilla?
I reminded people what I said because it was an opposing position to most in the debate about NIL and transfer portal and whether they should be allowed.
It’s bad for the consumer for the reason that multiple posters have pointed out and I responded to. The top 20% of CFB are enjoying taking the best players from the bottom 80%. The fans (consumers) from the bottom 80% aren’t thrilled with the direction of the sport.
SerenityBuff
Well-Known Member
These aren't regular students. It goes without saying that attending a school and playing a sport at said school are two very different things. They're not getting NIL just to be a student there. Being an athlete carries its own unique responsiblities. Especially if they're getting paid, which makes them for all intents and purposes professionals.
And if I'm a school and/or booster investing a large sums of money in these players, soon I'm going to want some assurances for my investment. Giving a 17 year old 2 mil only to have him bolt for USC the next year isn't sustainable, nor do I believe it is objectively "right" for either party. Eventually, schools will want something in writing that will guarantee that the athlete will be there for 3-4 years as professionals do. And I wouldn't blame the institutions one bit.
Then, yes, athletes will explore employee rights and unions and all that. Which will get even messier, perhaps. But this is a new world in college athletics and philisophical definitions of what's "right" are changing rapidly.
Yes, as I said, there should be rules in place and policing/enforcing of said rules around the transfer and NIL concepts, which at their core, are objectively “right”.
Always BUFF
I post stupid ****
Thank you for the clarity, I can't keep up with all of the post in a thread. I agree that at least 80% are not thrilled with the direction...there's only so much money and so much twittersphere.
SerenityBuff
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Ok. I disagree.
At what point does the “school” part get removed from this equation because it’s already significantly eroded. I’m glad CU is changing its entrance requirements to level the playing field but if letting kids transfer wherever they want is the right thing to do, and letting them get paid for their NIL is the right thing to do, is lowering the academic bar for admittance really the right thing to do?
At what point do we acknowledge that the school has very little to do with football and vice versa and just have it be a professional league below the NFL. Remove eligibility requirements all together - if someone wants to play 8 years at CU, fine. If a player gets cut from the Broncos at the end of camp, he’s free to go sign with a University League program. But then have them sign contracts and they get paid only what they’re worth which will be minor league pay for most.
I don’t understand what you disagree with. The basic concept that a person should be able to choose where they attend school (and therefore play football)? The concept of a person earning off their NIL?
It's not tampering. It's totally different. The kids aren't under contract and the schools don't have contracts with each other about tampering.
As a libtard, I'm gonna blow @Agent Dave Kujan's mind with this, but I say you let the market play out, and then react if you see it's hurting the kids. But there is no evidence this is bad for the kids right now. Just Aggy.
It's kind of stacked against the players. They have to enter the Transfer Portal and give up their scholarship in order for other schools to make contact (if NCAA rules were being followed). So they're taking a risk in many of the cases. Not an issue for the top guys and not even really much of an issue for the starter-caliber players. But a whole lot of guys in the portal don't find a new home.It's not tampering. It's totally different. The kids aren't under contract and the schools don't have contracts with each other about tampering.
As a libtard, I'm gonna blow @Agent Dave Kujan's mind with this, but I say you let the market play out, and then react if you see it's hurting the kids. But there is no evidence this is bad for the kids right now. Just Aggy.
Just like in the Real World when a guy quits a job without having another one lined up.
Except in this case, the players can’t look for a new job while they are still employed
Although some of that likely goes on, and is understandable.
No one likes to see kids lose scholarships. But it's not like those scholarships disappear into thin air. They are going to other kids. Not sure how I feel about that. Part of me thinks, "that's life." Educate the kids about the portal. But beyond that...unless you have programs making promises to kids to make them enter the portal - then you punish those programs. But I haven't heard anything along those lines.
Right you are!! It is time that the kids make the money instead of the largely white, male administrators, coaches and commissioners taking in millions off of their efforts.It's not tampering. It's totally different. The kids aren't under contract and the schools don't have contracts with each other about tampering.
As a libtard, I'm gonna blow @Agent Dave Kujan's mind with this, but I say you let the market play out, and then react if you see it's hurting the kids. But there is no evidence this is bad for the kids right now. Just Aggy.
The markets will balance themselves. It might not be the same, but the old system was absolutely unconstitutional.
That's my point. You don't have the same contractual relationship as the NFL does with its players and other teams. It's apples and oranges. Good clickbait from Joel tho.