Yes, the real important question.
Can we get a shot at his players THIS SEASON or not? Can they be eligible? Or would they need to wait till 2024 to play.
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Official Michigan State/Mel Tucker Hate Thread
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Can we get a shot at his players THIS SEASON or not? Can they be eligible? Or would they need to wait till 2024 to play.
Dude what? Is it possible that Tracy was lead to believe Tucker believed in her mission and that’s why he had her speak to the team multiple times? For a person like that who is making $9.5M a year and probably image conscious would think nothing of a $2500 donation to the cause. Still fail to see the “mixed messages” she was sending.
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“Erroneous reports Sunday initially stated that Tucker was fired by Michigan State. Rather, the Title IX investigation will continue as scheduled before the university makes a decision on his future leading the Spartans program.”
She continued the relationship far beyond her contract and did not cut it off nor report it when it went south. She participated. And then waited 8 months to report it.
Only a matter of time. I predict a deal will be brokered with Midnight getting some consideration, a fraction of his contract, and stepping down.
However, if MSU believe there case is ironclad, then who knows.
1) so what? Continuing a professional relationship doesn’t me she was seeking any sort of intimate relationship whatsoever.
2) There are probably dozens of women who could explain to you why victims don’t immediately report this sort of thing (a couple on this board even), I suggest you seek them out to gain some perspective here.
She accepted gifts and money, reportedly. She participated in a “non-consensual” sexual phone call without termination. . She discussed matters of his divorce, reportedly. She participated in an ongoing relationship that exceeded the bounds of typical friendship. None of this makes her “guilty” of anything. There are questions. There is an investigation. There is a hearing scheduled. This will play out.
The evidence says that many women don't ever report it. It is a very difficult thing for women to deal with, they are facing the invasion of their most personal space. They can be (justifiably) very afraid of what other people will think of them (even though it isn't their fault,) how people will react, how they will react with it being public.
To blame women for how they respond when faced with this kind of thing, to expect them to respond in ways that we from the outside would consider logical when they are facing something that is completely illogical is completely ridiculous.
I have a wife and two daughters. I hope and pray that none of them face this kind of thing and agree with you entirely, some perspective is called for here.
The women are the victims here, not the reason it happens., and they should be respected as such.
I was wondering at what point you are going to needle his choices?
Why is a married man carrying on with calling her? Why did he lie about where he was during the masturbation call? He was in fact on the University dime in the hotel in which the call was placed. Why is he abusing his power?
Why is it that you personally are willing to gloss over his missteps to hyper focus on anything regarding her? What does this mean about you and how you view the world and how you believe it should run?
A poster here gave insight that the claimant in this case may have felt beholden to Tucker because he provided professional opportunities.
After those opportunities ran their course, phone records show he certainly kept up the contact. Why are you incapable of demonizing that?
This whole one sided nitpick is ridiculous. He should be held to a standard of at least not lying when he realized it would not look good that he placed the call in question when he was on a trip representing the university, and paid for by the university.
Your line of questions look like what he set his lawyer to questioning. At the base of that bull junk is the assumption that gifting a woman anything means she owes you.
It does not negate consent. Hard stop.
I agree with all. He is not a good person. The process will play out. And I suspect he will be fired. And should be. The role of Brenda Tracey remains unclear. I suspect the investigation will get to the bottom of this and the actions of both of them.
What he did is terrible.
She runs a non-profit - of course she was accepting money. And even if everything else you said is true, none of it excuses Tucker’s conduct so I don’t know why you’re going down this path. Short of her totally reversing her story and admitting everything that happened was completely consensual and welcomed on her part - these takes about her “tricking” or sending mixed messages is ridiculous.
You are naive my friend. You really believe what you just wrote. Think man, think. This delusional world we are living in is not it. It's obvious what's going on. I don't know how you are blind to it. I don't know him or her but I've read in the information and it's clear that this isn't just him believing this is just one way with delusion. He has reason to believe she was into him. It just wasn't what he thought it was. It happens often with men and women.
I have no intent to blame the victim. He misused his power. That’s wrong. I do have questions about her role. There is no intent to blame her by outlining them in my previous posts.
Sigh, nobody should have to point this out in this day and age
The person in the weaker position of the power dynamic (usually women) goes along with the harassment because they feel like they don’t have a choice. They can lose their livelihood or be dismissed or dragged through the mud (or all of the above). Look at all of the **** with Cosby or Weinstein or Epstein. There is no situation with this kind of power imbalance that is ok.
The person in the weaker position of the power dynamic (usually women) goes along with the harassment because they feel like they don’t have a choice. They can lose their livelihood or be dismissed or dragged through the mud (or all of the above). Look at all of the **** with Cosby or Weinstein or Epstein. There is no situation with this kind of power imbalance that is ok.
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ahoelsken
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Tucker is married for one. I've read Tracy was flirting with him. That's problematic. We can talk about his wife basically okaying an open marriage (which is effectively what the MSU board mod said) until their boys are out of the house (assumption on my part), but that's not the point.
The victims here are his wife and teenage sons, not Brenda Tracy.
I have to tell you man, it’s remarkable how you can be one of the best posters on this board in some areas, and the absolute worst in others. Your takes on this subject are so disappointing.
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She reportedly accepted gifts and money beyond his 2500 contribution. I do not excuse his behavior. It’s horrible. I’ve said it multiple times. I can’t be more clear on that. My questions about her possible role are not intended to absolve his behavior and abuses in any way. I fully expect him to be fired with cause in violation of Title IX violations the first week in October. My questions are not intended to discredit Brenda Tracey. I would like to know the details. I doubt we ever will know her role.
The thing is: he made his own choices, and it is clear he tried to throw her under the bus to cover his ass.
It is also clear you championed that noise hook, line and sinker.
It does not matter she wants a sugar daddy. It does not give consent. It does not matter she accepted gifts. He clearly did not have consent. He is throwing out stupid crap because he wants public opinion to make it okay that he did this on a business trip, and he knows too many men are sympathetic to the idea that gifts = consent. They don’t. No matter how much you try to drag her on the point.
Sorry I can't meet your demand of being an all around poster you enjoy. I can only be who I am and true to that. I for one have made it clear that Mel put himself in this situation and he's not the victim but she isn't either. As someone said, the kids, the fans, and Michigan State supporters lose in this. He is representing a college. This is how Bobby Petrino lost his job. But she's not the victim. She was cool with this till she wasn't. I tend to avoid these Ime Udoka situations because they are always sticky.
I think you can see for yourself from some of the responses and questions in this thread. The victim blaming is astounding.
Sexual assault victims should not have to expect to be re-victimized after reporting. It takes an extremely brave woman to report and assist in an investigation when her veracity is going to be constantly questioned and when people are going to ask ridiculous questions like why didn’t you hang up by people who can’t even fathom what a victim of sexual assault goes through every single day of her life.
If that isn’t your intention, I suggest you choose another hill to die on, because you are certainly coming off as someone who intends to blame the victim.
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I really hope you know her personally and are aware of facts the public isn’t otherwise your absolute certainty about her role being “cool” with this arrangement and “tricking” are at best ignorant and at worst disgusting.
MSU fans and boosters are victims here, but the head of a non-profit who was subject to someone she depended on for support jerking off on the phone with her isn’t? Be better man.
You can't get mad at posters who don't see this the way you do. My apologies for saying you are delusional for not seeing it the way I do. I am wrong for that. We are all entitled to our opinions and NO one should be attacked for it. Me, you, or others.
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I bought nothing he said. You are wrong. I do not champion his position. Read my posts.
Your point on consent is key. The idea of consent has been disputed. Notwithstanding consent, he abused the relationship in a horribly wrongful way.
Thats your opinion. One I don't share.
Please respect my opinion as my take and don't call it ignorant because you don't agree. Respect my wishes and I'll respect yours.