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Official CU vs. UCLA 10/28/23 Game Thread

hope so. that was so bad.

on a positive note, Travis is absolutely a crazy great player. if we can get a few more dudes on the lines that can play and one disruptor at lb, we could be really good next year.
We can be elite. We should have depth with the skill positions next year.

We gotta land a 5 star portal class like FSU and Miami did.

We got the best QB in the nation by a mile next year.

We got the best player in Hunter.

We can be elite but we need studs. We also need depth and more versatility in skills and size on the DL.

The OL just needs a makeover period.
 
Big picture, the team is lucky to win one game this season if KD's was still coaching. 4 wins is a substantial improvement. CP replaces the the OL and DL coach this offseason (and hopefully the LB as well) , brings in new transfers and should finish strong in commits. There is no way he would allow Shedeur to sit behind the 133rd ranked OL next season. I am calling it now - next year the Buffs win 10 games, perhaps more (depends on the level of those transfers, 5th year Sr signings as well as the OL and LD coaching changes).
The only roadblock to CP taking a huge trajectory leap up next season is if he is loyal to those close to him and decides it is talent and not just coaching that can be improved.
 
Big picture, the team is lucky to win one game this season if KD's was still coaching. 4 wins is a substantial improvement. CP replaces the the OL and DL coach this offseason (and hopefully the LB as well) , brings in new transfers and should finish strong in commits. There is no way he would allow Shedeur to sit behind the 133rd ranked OL next season. I am calling it now - next year the Buffs win 10 games, perhaps more (depends on the level of those transfers, 5th year Sr signings as well as the OL and LD coaching changes).
The only roadblock to CP taking a huge trajectory leap up next season is if he is loyal to those close to him and decides it is talent and not just coaching that can be improved.
There are certainly coaching areas that need an upgrade..
 
I think the results are proving out you can get skill guys but you need to build from the trenches out. You also have to be able to coach and adjust as the game goes on. Coaching here has to be better

Unless you have a big bag to offer a bunch, you are going to have to recruit and develop these guys. They are the heartbeat on both sides and without a concerted effort to bring these guys in and Coach them, you are going to struggle to be elite.

Also QB2 made the wrong choice in RPO many times last night. He kept the ball and should have let it go. The running lane was there at times. Not sure this is his strength. Forced designed runs may be best to take this decision away from him.

Just what I saw and obviously I am no coach but seemed like bad decisions all around for all coaches and players.
 
I think the results are proving out you can get skill guys but you need to build from the trenches out. You also have to be able to coach and adjust as the game goes on. Coaching here has to be better

Unless you have a big bag to offer a bunch, you are going to have to recruit and develop these guys. They are the heartbeat on both sides and without a concerted effort to bring these guys in and Coach them, you are going to struggle to be elite.

Also QB2 made the wrong choice in RPO many times last night. He kept the ball and should have let it go. The running lane was there at times. Not sure this is his strength. Forced designed runs may be best to take this decision away from him.

Just what I saw and obviously I am no coach but seemed like bad decisions all around for all coaches and players.
You can cover for a lack of talent at some positions but you can't cover for a lack of talent on the OL, opponents have figured out that our weakness is in the 5 guys who are supposed to block.

While none of us would mind seeing some 5* type guys come in the good news is that we don't have to have those. What we need is to be able to send 5 guys out there who are P5 level players. They don't have to be able to pass block for 7 seconds, SS with 3-4 seconds can find a place to go with the ball or move away from pressure. What he can't do is function when the pass rushers are getting to him as soon as he gets the ball.

Same thing in the run game, We don't need to see holes big enough to drive a truck through, we do need to consistently give our RBs room to keep the offense on schedule, a regular 3-5 yards per carry with enough longer gains to keep defenses honest.

It would be great to dominate on the LOS but we have enough talented skill position guys that even being consistently competent would allow us to be successful.

Unfortunately we aren't even close to that right now. We need to get good enough before worrying about being great.
 
Our QB and the ****ty offensive line play are getting traction. Not that they haven't been already lol. Hopefully we can protect Sanders more the rest of the season.

Deadspin link

Shadeur Sanders is still taking snaps. Never mind that he’s been sacked more times for more yards than any other power five QB, and if I could verify that neither FIU or Old Dominion yielded four sacks Saturday, he’d lead the FBS in those categories.
 
They are improving ten fold compared to the beginning the season. We knew that they had talent, they are just young and none are game changers.

We know we need DL in the portal but we need Dawgs, not just good players. We got good players or kids who can develop into good players.

The interior LB and OL is where we are massively deficient in terms of talent for the level of play we aspire to be.
Just my opinion, but there seems to be a defensive coaching problem. Even with the best players, not sure this defense can stop anyone. The defensive game plan and philosophy is lacking. I don’t think we should place this solely on the players. They need coaches who set them up for success, not depend on them to carry this solely on their backs.
 
We can be elite. We should have depth with the skill positions next year.

We gotta land a 5 star portal class like FSU and Miami did.

We got the best QB in the nation by a mile next year.

We got the best player in Hunter.

We can be elite but we need studs. We also need depth and more versatility in skills and size on the DL.

The OL just needs a makeover period.
I don’t know if enough elite offensive/O-line players are going to want to come to a team that doesn’t play defense.
 
I could be off as I don't follow FB recruiting as closely as others here, but does it feel like the coaching staff are still focusing too much on skill players in recruiting?

also, was nice to see McCaskill with a solid two carries...wtf is going on with the RB personnel decisions
 
100%? Nah.

I would it us probably closer to 60/40 on the coaches.
I would agree, but the recruiting issue lies at their feet too.
I am having problems with this post. Explain it for me in more detail. You are saying we hand picked these guys? You do realize we whiffed on every OL but Savion and Tyler Brown in the portal during recruiting. Remember Cameron Johnson. Remember Coker. We offered everyone and landed no one. Jatta and Wilty came from JUCO. Bailey was an after spring game addition and CU was BASHED for signing him and Young. Especially Young.

Hell yeah it's a recruiting problem. They were ****ing terrible recruiting the OL. The DL recruiting was superior and they landed NO Dawgs outside of Cokes. None. But they landed some really talented kids like Amari M who has developed nicely.

I don't get what you mean. They literally lost more talent by the portal than gained on the OL and the one player that Deion did handpick was ruled ineligible. What are you talking about? I don't understand
I don't think you understood what I was getting at. I see two issues here. One, they weren't good enough closing on really anyone up front last winter. I know they got Washington and Tyler Brown, but they needed to do more than that and just did not. At this point, I'm tired of talking about the Tyler Brown situation. Is it unfair that he can't play? Sure, but add him to this OL and it still isn't good enough. Two, coaching. You have to coach in a way that puts the talent you have in the best position possible to succeed. Having Shedeur take 3-5 step drops every play and totally giving up on the run game isn't that. Where the hell has McCaskill been all year?
 
I don’t know if enough elite offensive/O-line players are going to want to come to a team that doesn’t play defense.
When was the last time Kelly actually called a defense before he came here? He didn't do it at Alabama.

Probably a reason why Saban was willing to let him go.
 
I could be off as I don't follow FB recruiting as closely as others here, but does it feel like the coaching staff are still focusing too much on skill players in recruiting?

also, was nice to see McCaskill with a solid two carries...wtf is going on with the RB personnel decisions
The OC creates personnel groups for various play packages.
 
I could be off as I don't follow FB recruiting as closely as others here, but does it feel like the coaching staff are still focusing too much on skill players in recruiting?

also, was nice to see McCaskill with a solid two carries...wtf is going on with the RB personnel decisions
They offered more OL guys than skill guys. Just the OL guys didn't value the offers from us and the skill guys did. The DL who weren't looking for a payday valued our offer but most of the good ones get paid and get handsomely paid. With us having no NIL. We were way behind the 8 ball for the OL on the HS or portal front.
 
I would agree, but the recruiting issue lies at their feet too.

I don't think you understood what I was getting at. I see two issues here. One, they weren't good enough closing on really anyone up front last winter. I know they got Washington and Tyler Brown, but they needed to do more than that and just did not. At this point, I'm tired of talking about the Tyler Brown situation. Is it unfair that he can't play? Sure, but add him to this OL and it still isn't good enough. Two, coaching. You have to coach in a way that puts the talent you have in the best position possible to succeed. Having Shedeur take 3-5 step drops every play and totally giving up on the run game isn't that. Where the hell has McCaskill been all year?
You saying we handpicked these guys. I heard Louie luggage from another. We flat out sucked ass recruiting the OL. We recruited the OL worse than anything. Even though Seydou didn't work, he was a 4 star transfer who committed to the Buffs.

We couldn't land anyone in the OL and we lost two players who went P5 at guard and our other quality guard quit. We just couldn't make up for what we lost.

I don't get this, handpicked bull****. We ****ing missed on everyone. We didn't really want these guys in this role. We missed on anyone that could truly make us better
 
You saying we handpicked these guys. I heard Louie luggage from another. We flat out sucked ass recruiting the OL. We recruited the OL worse than anything. Even though Seydou didn't work, he was a 4 star transfer who committed to the Buffs.

We couldn't land anyone in the OL and we lost two players who went P5 at guard and our other quality guard quit. We just couldn't make up for what we lost.

I don't get this, handpicked bull****. We ****ing missed on everyone. We didn't really want these guys in this role. We missed on anyone that could truly make us better
Big reason why OL coach must get upgraded in the offseason. Need a bagman who can teach technique.
 
As my husband was out of the country yesterday, he asked me not to watch the game until he can (I recorded it). I couldn't avoid seeing news about the outcome.

I know they lost - is it worth watching anyway? Or will I just be frustrated?
 
I could be off as I don't follow FB recruiting as closely as others here, but does it feel like the coaching staff are still focusing too much on skill players in recruiting?

also, was nice to see McCaskill with a solid two carries...wtf is going on with the RB personnel decisions
I don't follow particularly closely, but I get the sense that they're working towards more OL/DL recruits but mostly leaving a number of schollies open to hit the portal hard again.

Of the 10 commits so far, 6 are linemen.
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As my husband was out of the country yesterday, he asked me not to watch the game until he can (I recorded it). I couldn't avoid seeing news about the outcome.

I know they lost - is it worth watching anyway? Or will I just be frustrated?
You’ll see some beautiful plays by Hunter. But you need to be a glass-half-full kind of person.
 
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You saying we handpicked these guys. I heard Louie luggage from another. We flat out sucked ass recruiting the OL. We recruited the OL worse than anything. Even though Seydou didn't work, he was a 4 star transfer who committed to the Buffs.

We couldn't land anyone in the OL and we lost two players who went P5 at guard and our other quality guard quit. We just couldn't make up for what we lost.

I don't get this, handpicked bull****. We ****ing missed on everyone. We didn't really want these guys in this role. We missed on anyone that could truly make us better
Which makes recruiting a problem, no?
 
You saying we handpicked these guys. I heard Louie luggage from another. We flat out sucked ass recruiting the OL. We recruited the OL worse than anything. Even though Seydou didn't work, he was a 4 star transfer who committed to the Buffs.

We couldn't land anyone in the OL and we lost two players who went P5 at guard and our other quality guard quit. We just couldn't make up for what we lost.

I don't get this, handpicked bull****. We ****ing missed on everyone. We didn't really want these guys in this role. We missed on anyone that could truly make us better
Does it matter whether he hand picked them or missed on the ones he wanted? Half of the college game is recruiting. Prime hasn’t shown he can close on high end OL or DL. That’s not any better than what you’re suggesting
 
I think that's the big question, no?

Coach Prime seems really gifted in closing elite receivers and defensive backs, but perhaps less so on the defensive line (and linebackers) and the offensive line.

Is that a fair observation, and if so, why?
 
I think that's the big question, no?

Coach Prime seems really gifted in closing elite receivers and defensive backs, but perhaps less so on the defensive line (and linebackers) and the offensive line.

Is that a fair observation, and if so, why?
I would say all of defense and skill positions. Everyone but the OL and that was an issue at JSU too. He's recruited the DL well in terms of young talent. He just hasn't landed many studs. Cokes and Domminick are good players but they aren't studs. We missed on every stud in the portal for the DL. LB generally is something we do really good when at JSU but we having landed NO one at CU. JuJu was a last minute guy who got kicked off of ASU. We gotta do better there as well.
 
Does it matter whether he hand picked them or missed on the ones he wanted? Half of the college game is recruiting. Prime hasn’t shown he can close on high end OL or DL. That’s not any better than what you’re suggesting
No one of value wants to play for BOB and BOB has no desire to recruit. I guarantee this is what comes out to the public down the road.
 
I would say all of defense and skill positions. Everyone but the OL and that was an issue at JSU too. He's recruited the DL well in terms of young talent. He just hasn't landed many studs. Cokes and Domminick are good players but they aren't studs. We missed on every stud in the portal for the DL. LB generally is something we do really good when at JSU but we having landed NO one at CU. JuJu was a last minute guy who got kicked off of ASU. We gotta do better there as well.
You have followed Coach Prime more closely than anyone else on this site, I think. Why do you think he struggles to close OL in particular?
 
I think that's the big question, no?

Coach Prime seems really gifted in closing elite receivers and defensive backs, but perhaps less so on the defensive line (and linebackers) and the offensive line.

Is that a fair observation, and if so, why?
I think there’s something to be said about those guys never viewing CP as someone they wanted to “be” from a football standpoint because of the position differences. However, I imagine most of its due to those positions being the primary NIL targets and CU/CP has only recently gotten into that arena it would seem
 
I think that's the big question, no?

Coach Prime seems really gifted in closing elite receivers and defensive backs, but perhaps less so on the defensive line (and linebackers) and the offensive line.

Is that a fair observation, and if so, why?
Imo, it's because he underestimated the power of a NIL collective. Its obvious you need one to close on blue chip/ top transfers trench guys.
 
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