Has Cody cost us a bluechip QB?

[Timbuff10]

Since Hawk has been here, Cody has also been here too. I am sure other schools use this as a recruiting tool against us.

With 4 and 5 star QBs knowing that the coach's kid is on the roster, this has to be contributing to keeping blue chip QBs from coming to CU?

 

[Buffnik]

To answer your question: yes.

Landry Jones would have come to CU instead of Oklahoma if it weren't for the coach's son situation with our starting quarterback.

 

[Timbuff10]

To answer your question: yes.

Landry Jones would have come to CU instead of Oklahoma if it weren't for the coach's son situation with our starting quarterback.

I am guessing you are right. I remember the signing day when they announced Cody would play at CU. I figured it was OK becasue he was so short/small and would probably never be more than 2nd/3rd string and it wouldn't be an issue. Just as long as he isn't "the guy" it wouldn't scare anyone off. I thought at most he may get lucky and get a Hessler type moment for a game or two.

 

[aik]

I think it was more of a necessity in 2007 when we were coming into Hawk's second year. His first was marred by one of the worst quarterback situations one could imagine at a BCS-level school. Klatt put in 3 years and graduated and Colt Brennan left school before anyone knew what he would become. Controversy to start with career backup James Cox and Bernard Jackson getting reps. Brian White loses out on the job and transfers, Cox gets injured and Jackson limps through the rest of the season with former QB Pat Devenney as the emergency backup. 2007 comes and Jackson is ineligible; enter Cody. Improved team by 4 wins with a huge upset and Hawk thinks his son is the Dalai Lama. Bliss ever since.

 

[JimmyBuff]

Not sure, but I doubt its helped and I'm sure other schools used it against us in recruiting..

 

[buffwings]

Abso-f-in-lutely, no decent QB will ever come here as long as Hawk JR is behind center. The NEPOTISM is in program is so disgusting and is one of many things for the demise of program, and the current state of affairs.


(imo)

 

[IDBUFF]

I think Cody would play behind anyone who his coach believed was a better Q. I wondered about this issue when the Hawk boys went to Boulder. They are both too classy for this to be a real issue. A perceived issue - maybe. Cody would be the first to step down if outplayed by a teammate imo.

 

[dio]

Abso-f-in-lutely, no decent QB will ever come here as long as Hack JR is behind center. The NEPOTISM is in program is so disgusting and is one of many things for the demise of program, and the current state of affairs.

Just a reminder. We can criticize the play on the field and the coaching, but no personal attacks against players. Cody is still a college kid trying his best.

 

[Buffman]

I think Cody would play behind anyone who his coach believed was a better Q. I wondered about this issue when the Hawk boys went to Boulder. They are both too classy for this to be a real issue. A perceived issue - maybe. Cody would be the first to step down if outplayed by a teammate imo.

but for other schools recruiting the same players its real easy to raise some serious doubts about the situation.

if you were a player would want to go compete with the coaches son for playing time? especially if there are other good offers on the table.

 

[2HellNback]

I have a very good friend who plays D1 football in California. He got to know Jordan Wynn when he took his visit to his school. At the end of the day, Jordan wanted to play early and he said that with C-Hawk at QB, he felt like there was zero possibility.

It's also hard to recruit a QB when you are lining up wide receivers averaging 5'7, and lining up tight ends at receiver.

 

[buffz90]

Coaches from other schools competing for QBs w/Colorado on the recruiting trail DEFINITELY pull the Cody card. If you don't believe that, you don't understand how recruiting works.

 

[MtnBuff]

I have a very good friend who plays D1 football in California. He got to know Jordan Wynn when he took his visit to his school. At the end of the day, Jordan wanted to play early and he said that with C-Hawk at QB, he felt like there was zero possibility.

It's also hard to recruit a QB when you are lining up wide receivers averaging 5'7, and lining up tight ends at receiver.

I believe that you are right about Wynn, who is now the starter at Utah. I also believe that the situation with Cody influenced Landry Jones. We never got to see him play but I have heard some players believed that Ballinger was a better QB than Cody. He saw the writing on the wall and decided that the effort to stay with football wasn't worth it.

We can't know which other QB's saw the same thing and decided not to consider CU.

I do know that what we have is not a winning Big XII quality QB. I am sure that Hawk has convinced himself that he is making the right decision based on Cody knowing the system, being a leader, etc. etc. The fact is that as much as he may know the system he still makes unpardonable mistakes. He lacks downfield vision, doesn't have enough arm strength, and is not mobile enough to change a game in his favor.

Last night he was outplayed by a guy who sat four years on the bench. Stucker was not even considered a legitimate Big XII recruit out of HS and yet in every way was superior to Cody last night. Better arm, better decisions, better leadership, more mobility (not his strength but he used what he has to his advantage.)

I believe that Hawk can be a winnig coach at this level but he has to get past his blind loyalty to his son, "his guys", and adjust to the situation he is in. If not he is going to be unemployed.

If Cody is truly the leader and the football mind that people say he is it is time for him to have a heart to heart with his father and instigate some changes.

I don't believe it will happen but I can hope.

 

[buffwings]

Among other terrible mistakes Hack has made, one of top is to bring in his son. He has lost all credibility and is playing games with the CU program to satisfy his own personal wishes.

 

[AlferdJasper]

Among other terrible mistakes Hack has made, one of top is to bring in his son. He has lost all credibility and is playing games with the CU program to satisfy his own personal wishes.

To be fair: I didn't like the coaching, nor was I dazzled by the QB play yesterday, but my recollection is that Cody was the best option we had who was interested in CU at that time.

I don't know that you can say Coach Hawkins brought in Cody Hawkins for any reason other than he thought Cody could win games.

In general, it's very difficult to coach your own kid in any sport, let alone Division 1 football. But our recruiting at that time was in a slump of its own, and Cody was the best candidate.

 

[buffaholic]

name the last blue-chip QB at CU.... What is keeping them from being here is the lack of an offense. GB never had one and had one and Neuheisel never brought one here either.

 

[buffs04]

Hawkins had no business bringing his son to play football here in the first place. When I first heard he was coming here, my reaction was "Wow, that's kind of interesting, seems surprising this guy I have heard so many good things about would do something so unprofessional".

Here are facts:

1) Hawkins got completely different treatment on his redshirt than Hansen and Ballenger.

2) He is not good, but continues to start.

3) He should not have been here in the first place. Bringing your son to play QB at this level is patently unprofessional.

4) Imagine last night, but with Hansen being named the starter. Do you really think Hawkins would have let him fail for more than 2 or 3 series before putting his son in?

 

[BroncoBuff]

I think it was more of a necessity in 2007 when we were coming into Hawk's second year. His first was marred by one of the worst quarterback situations one could imagine at a BCS-level school. Klatt put in 3 years and graduated and Colt Brennan left school before anyone knew what he would become. Controversy to start with career backup James Cox and Bernard Jackson getting reps. Brian White loses out on the job and transfers, Cox gets injured and Jackson limps through the rest of the season with former QB Pat Devenney as the emergency backup. 2007 comes and Jackson is ineligible; enter Cody. Improved team by 4 wins with a huge upset and Hawk thinks his son is the Dalai Lama. Bliss ever since.

Nice history lesson (seriously), but you're leaving out a huge part: Last year they sometimes benched Cody and liberally used true freshman quarterback Tyler Hansen. True freshman.

Cody beat Oklahoma, too.

 

[BroncoBuff]

Here are facts:

1) Hawkins got completely different treatment on his redshirt than Hansen and Ballenger.

How different?

 

[slider]

Hawkins had no business bringing his son to play football here in the first place. When I first heard he was coming here, my reaction was "Wow, that's kind of interesting, seems surprising this guy I have heard so many good things about would do something so unprofessional".

Here are facts:

1) Hawkins got completely different treatment on his redshirt than Hansen and Ballenger.

2) He is not good, but continues to start.

3) He should not have been here in the first place. Bringing your son to play QB at this level is patently unprofessional.

4) Imagine last night, but with Hansen being named the starter. Do you really think Hawkins would have let him fail for more than 2 or 3 series before putting his son in?

Those aren't facts

 

[AlferdJasper]

Hawkins had no business bringing his son to play football here in the first place.

Okay, I'm not trying to support or trash Cody here, just pointing out that Cody WAS a legitimate QB prospect, and CU didn't have a lot of other ones on the horizon at that moment in time. (As far as I know.) Since Cody didn't commit until LOI day, there was no way that other QBs avoided CU on his behalf unless they were psychic and knew where he would commit.


From Scout:
As a [HS] junior, he was 147-229 for 2,558 yards, 31 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He was the coaches pick as the state player of the year. As a senior, he was 145-205 (71%) for 2,783 yards, 42 touchdowns and five interceptions. Showing that his game is not completely revolved around the air attack, he rushed for four scores as a junior and one as a senior. He was named the coaches pick as state player of the year, again, plus he was the Idaho Gatorade Football Player of the Year. His team went undefeated for two straight state championships.

He the Elite 11 camp the summer before his senior season where he was ranked the no.4 quarterback amongst the group.




From Wikipedia:

[Cody] Hawkins never lost playing football while growing up, going 59–0 since beginning in sixth grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Hawkins#cite_note-DPCodyPicked-1He also lettered twice in basketball in high school.

Hawkins led his high school to back-to-back undefeated state championships. He was also a two-time All-Idaho Football Team Player of the Year. In 2005, he threw for 42 touchdowns and 2,783 yards with 5 interceptions,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Hawkins#cite_note-DPCodyPicked-1 earning him the 2005 Gatorade Idaho Player of the Year award. As a junior in 2004, he had 31 touchdowns and 8 interceptions.[2]

Hawkins was a highly touted prospect. He had official offers from Colorado, Boise State University, Brigham Young University, University of Oregon and University of Wisconsin-Madison but only made official visits to Boise State and Colorado.


Hawkins' competition, Nick Nelson, was a junior college transfer to the team - but he left football due to foot injury, correct?

 

[buffwings]

he needs to ride the pine and maybe we might have a shot at a legitimate QB. Hell I think even Evans can do no worse.

 

[Spider]

Just a reminder. We can criticize the play on the field and the coaching, but no personal attacks against players. Cody is still a college kid trying his best.

Very well said.

Also, a case could be made for Cody Hawks stats being the same as the stats of a qb on a winning team. Ongoing losses are not the fault of any one player, not even the qb.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Abso-f-in-lutely, no decent QB will ever come here as long as Hack JR is behind center. The NEPOTISM is in program is so disgusting and is one of many things for the demise of program, and the current state of affairs.

I'm hoping you dial it back, bro. Your message is loud and clear. I don't even disagree with your disgust. I agree with you as to the root cause of the Buffs horrible beginning of the season.

But I'm on putting you on ignore. It's temporary. I'll reinstate you after I get caught up with all these unread posts. Saying the same thing over and over is a distraction. I'm doing this so that I can better focus on some other views of other members. I thought you should know.

At the end of the day, Hawkins will sleep in the bed that he made. And so will you and so will I.

 

[unbiasedtruth]

To answer your question: yes.

Landry Jones would have come to CU instead of Oklahoma if it weren't for the coach's son situation with our starting quarterback.

Might want to rethink this. No way was Landry Jones ever going to play for the Buffs. He is a lifetime Sooner fan, as his father, and once Bob Stoops put the scholly on the table to him to attend and play for the Sooners, all other schools weren't even in the picture anymore....

 

[Sexton Hardcastle]

Might want to rethink this. No way was Landry Jones ever going to play for the Buffs. He is a lifetime Sooner fan, as his father, and once Bob Stoops put the scholly on the table to him to attend and play for the Sooners, all other schools weren't even in the picture anymore....

:yeahthat:

 

[SBG]

To answer your question: yes.

Landry Jones would have come to CU instead of Oklahoma if it weren't for the coach's son situation with our starting quarterback.

Hahahahaha.

I can't say this with 100% certainty, but for most people I've ever met from SE NM, OU is the school that everyone looks up to. Fitting in Boulder would have been harder for Landry than adjusting to life in Norman since the culture is a lot similar than what he's used to.

Once he got his offer from OU I know he was going to end up there. OU won the Big 12 with a converted WR as QB. They have great, quality OLs with solid TEs, RBs and WRs every year. It was almost a no brainer.

Don't act as if CU has had 5* or 4* QBs line up for the role over the years. After Detmer who was the next QB? An in-state guy. Elite QBs are very rare to come by for any team, unless you have a guy like Chow or Tedford as the OC/QB coach.

We need to create an identity, a system, and then we'll find our QB. GT has a strong identity with the flex option and from here on out they'll have their choice of the best option QB in the nation. We have to coach up what we do have and show our potential before any elite QB is going to take a shot with us. I sure as hell wouldn't want to play behind this line if I was a 5* QB this year.

 

[buffsyko]

Hahahahaha.

I can't say this with 100% certainty, but for most people I've ever met from SE NM, OU is the school that everyone looks up to. Fitting in Boulder would have been harder for Landry than adjusting to life in Norman since the culture is a lot similar than what he's used to.

Once he got his offer from OU I know he was going to end up there. OU won the Big 12 with a converted WR as QB. They have great, quality OLs with solid TEs, RBs and WRs every year. It was almost a no brainer.

Don't act as if CU has had 5* or 4* QBs line up for the role over the years. After Detmer who was the next QB? An in-state guy. Elite QBs are very rare to come by for any team, unless you have a guy like Chow or Tedford as the OC/QB coach.

We need to create an identity, a system, and then we'll find our QB. GT has a strong identity with the flex option and from here on out they'll have their choice of the best option QB in the nation. We have to coach up what we do have and show our potential before any elite QB is going to take a shot with us. I sure as hell wouldn't want to play behind this line if I was a 5* QB this year.

Coach up what we have. Never happen with this coach.

 

[BuffFan]

name the last blue-chip QB at CU.... What is keeping them from being here is the lack of an offense. GB never had one and had one and Neuheisel never brought one here either.

GB never brought one in because, when Craig Oaks asked GB to add more passing to the offensive scheme, GB said "We are a running team, and if you want to pass the ball you are on the wrong team." Wide receivers and QB's dried up after that.

 

[Buffnik]

Nice history lesson (seriously), but you're leaving out a huge part: Last year they sometimes benched Cody and liberally used true freshman quarterback Tyler Hansen. True freshman.

Cody beat Oklahoma, too.

Cody was limited and missed a couple starts because he had a concussion and something wrong with his arm (not disclosed until after the season). The offensive line was such a mess that they knew they couldn't protect him. Hansen only lost his redshirt year and got playing time in an effort to protect Cody (and Ballenger was not popular with Helfrich). Cody was never benched.

As far as the Oklahoma game, CU beat Oklahoma.

Cody's stat line that day:

22/36, 220 yards, 6.11 ypa, 2 TD, 2 INT, 3 carries for -8 yards (0 TDs).

Not a bad day, but nothing to write home about either.

 

[somebody]

We really need a "Recycled to Death" forum for topics like this.