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Bench Montez (9-14 edition)

Duff Man

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Doesn't have a consistent arm. He has times, like the second halves of the last two games, when he is very accurate.

Consistency more the issue.

I do find it interesting how often fans immediately call for the QBs head. For his failings a lot of P5 teams would gladly have Montez.

If our backups where substantially better don't you think that our coaching staff is smart enough to recognize that and act on it?
Define "a lot."
 

TSchekler

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Doesn't have a consistent arm. He has times, like the second halves of the last two games, when he is very accurate.

Consistency more the issue.

I do find it interesting how often fans immediately call for the QBs head. For his failings a lot of P5 teams would gladly have Montez.

If our backups where substantially better don't you think that our coaching staff is smart enough to recognize that and act on it?
We’ve been talking about his inconsistencies for 2+ years now. At what point does “consistency issues” with his accuracy actually become “he’s just not that accurate”?
 

MtnBuff

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Define "a lot."
I would say multiple teams in every P5 conference.

We tend to focus on his failings, and no question he has failings, but many starting college QBs have similar or worse failings.

Again not trying to claim he is a top flight guy. each of those same conferences also have multiple teams who would gladly pass on him as well.

Simple nature of football fans is that most fans watch the ball and when a team fails they tend to blame the guy who has the ball the most for their team.

Any time a team isn't winning the most popular guy in town is the back up QB. We have been losing for so long that our fans are just in the habit of complaining about the QB.

We had multiple players who had much worse games today than Montez did but not a word about them, they aren't the QB.
 

Daaah

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Bradshaw might be a very good comparison with Montez. Bradshaw was a guy with outstanding physical tools but who was criticized his entire career for his mental game. He was also a guy when put in the right situation won a lot of games.
Hahaha. Terry Bradshaw? Come on now, you have to be kidding me.
 

MtnBuff

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We’ve been talking about his inconsistencies for 2+ years now. At what point does “consistency issues” with his accuracy actually become “he’s just not that accurate”?
So exactly what is your solution. Playing a guy who the coaches believe to not be as good at the time because he is "different."

Sorry but I'll take HCMTs opinion over a superfan on a message board.

I highly doubt that we are magically 3-0 because Montez was replaced by one of our other QBs.

It also keeps getting mentioned that Montez is a 5th year senior. He is but we will never know what he would be had those first four years been spent on a team with a winning staff. For a staff that put it's reputation on developing players the last staff didn't really develop very many. Montez has experience on a losing team with lousy pass protection.
 

Duff Man

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I would say multiple teams in every P5 conference.

We tend to focus on his failings, and no question he has failings, but many starting college QBs have similar or worse failings.

Again not trying to claim he is a top flight guy. each of those same conferences also have multiple teams who would gladly pass on him as well.

Simple nature of football fans is that most fans watch the ball and when a team fails they tend to blame the guy who has the ball the most for their team.

Any time a team isn't winning the most popular guy in town is the back up QB. We have been losing for so long that our fans are just in the habit of complaining about the QB.

We had multiple players who had much worse games today than Montez did but not a word about them, they aren't the QB.
He is a mediocre QB. We can stop talking about the potential and/or his inconsistency. He is just a decent QB capable of great throws and lazy mechanics leading to inaccurate throws back to back. He does not really use his legs to make plays either.

A multi-year starter at QB is going to be expected to make plays, it comes with the territory. That is not being unfair to him.

The days of expecting him to be an all-conference QB are long gone, but he needs to occasionally take over games for this team to make a bowl game. Again, not an unfair standard for a multi-year starter.
 

TSchekler

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So exactly what is your solution. Playing a guy who the coaches believe to not be as good at the time because he is "different."

Sorry but I'll take HCMTs opinion over a superfan on a message board.

I highly doubt that we are magically 3-0 because Montez was replaced by one of our other QBs.

It also keeps getting mentioned that Montez is a 5th year senior. He is but we will never know what he would be had those first four years been spent on a team with a winning staff. For a staff that put it's reputation on developing players the last staff didn't really develop very many. Montez has experience on a losing team with lousy pass protection.
I know, I know, it’s everybody else’s fault but Montez. If only he had a better staff, a better playcaller, better players around him, better blocking, better running game and better defense, he would finally realize all this outstanding potential.
 

OUBuff

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I'd like to see Montez keep the ball on read option plays every once in awhile... if for no other reason to give the defense a plausible reason to believe the RB won't get it every time
 

MtnBuff

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I know, I know, it’s everybody else’s fault but Montez. If only he had a better staff, a better playcaller, better players around him, better blocking, better running game and better defense, he would finally realize all this outstanding potential.
So what exactly is your solution genius? I guess we have Peyton Manning and Joe Montana waiting on the bench to take over.

I am not in any way trying to say that Montez is a great QB, sometimes he isn't even a good QB.

He also though isn't a terrible QB and we have a lot more problems that just the guy trying to catch the snaps that are being launched over his head.

Making Montez the scapegoat for an entire team's worth of errors is ridiculous.
 

TSchekler

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So what exactly is your solution genius? I guess we have Peyton Manning and Joe Montana waiting on the bench to take over.

I am not in any way trying to say that Montez is a great QB, sometimes he isn't even a good QB.

He also though isn't a terrible QB and we have a lot more problems that just the guy trying to catch the snaps that are being launched over his head.

Making Montez the scapegoat for an entire team's worth of errors is ridiculous.
I’m not doing that, though. I dished out criticism to the OL, Russell, Landman, JVD, the entire Secondary, coaching staff and even Viska for his 3rd down drop. It’s not squarely on Montez, but as THE guy that touches the ball every play makes the offense go, he is going to get the bulk of the blame when he doesn’t play very well and the offense puts up 23 points at home to a G5 Academy program.

As for my solution, I didn’t say I had one. I simply said that you (and others) keep calling it inconsistencies, and I believe after 30 starts at this level, it’s disingenuous to simply call him inconsistent; his accuracy is just not all that great. He’s a mediocre QB who isn’t all that capable of making guys around him better.
 
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OUBuff

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I dont! Hes slow and afraid of contact.
Therefore the read option should be out of the playbook. If it is being used, he has to keep it sometimes. Read option is a deception play, it isn't deception if your adversary doesn't believe what you're selling
 

SBG

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How many dimes did Montez throw this game? He had that one really great one thrown to the AFA CB. Can’t seem to recall any outstanding throws, but I may be misguided.

He also doesn’t step up in the pocket when he needs to. Yeah, he may take a hit, but it comes with the territory of playing QB.
 

14er

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How many dimes did Montez throw this game? He had that one really great one thrown to the AFA CB. Can’t seem to recall any outstanding throws, but I may be misguided.

He also doesn’t step up in the pocket when he needs to. Yeah, he may take a hit, but it comes with the territory of playing QB.
The TD to Stanley.
 

Daaah

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So what exactly is your solution genius? I guess we have Peyton Manning and Joe Montana waiting on the bench to take over.

I am not in any way trying to say that Montez is a great QB, sometimes he isn't even a good QB.

He also though isn't a terrible QB and we have a lot more problems that just the guy trying to catch the snaps that are being launched over his head.

Making Montez the scapegoat for an entire team's worth of errors is ridiculous.
He's the leader and he sucks. Have you ever been on a team like that?
 

Pbuffdiddy

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Therefore the read option should be out of the playbook. If it is being used, he has to keep it sometimes. Read option is a deception play, it isn't deception if your adversary doesn't believe what you're selling
Yeah, they need to scrap it. Nobody is worried about Montez running the ball, even if he kep it sometimes.
 

MtnBuff

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He's the leader and he sucks. Have you ever been on a team like that?
Glad you aren't a fan of a team I play on.

And no he doesn't suck. He may not be as good as you would be, doesn't meet your level of play when you are on Madden, but he doesn't suck.

He's a college QB who goes out there every week taking shots in the teeth and the ribs to entertain you.

I've been on teams that won and teams that lost. Neither was because of one guy.
 

Master Blaster

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Reminds me a ton of the NFL version of Jameis Winston. Can make every throw on the field... just not consistently. Holds on to the ball seemingly for forever, good for a few “where the hell was that going” throws each game, completely abandons sound mechanics for long stretches, and looks awkward as hell when scrambling.

There’s enough times where he looks unstoppable to give you hope, but is ultimately not a guy you can consistently win with.

I don’t think the backups would fare any better, but I won’t exactly be sad getting off this wild ride at the end of the season
 

NY Buff

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No doubt Montez has not looked very good at times. My guess is that the coaches think that he is our best option to win. If they thought that they had a better choice, I bet they would play him. Don't you think?
 

Medford M.

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Reminds me a ton of the NFL version of Jameis Winston. Can make every throw on the field... just not consistently. Holds on to the ball seemingly for forever, good for a few “where the hell was that going” throws each game, completely abandons sound mechanics for long stretches, and looks awkward as hell when scrambling.

There’s enough times where he looks unstoppable to give you hope, but is ultimately not a guy you can consistently win with.

I don’t think the backups would fare any better, but I won’t exactly be sad getting off this wild ride at the end of the season
That's actually a really good way to put it.
 

Go Buffs

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A good QB and we easily win. It is what it is. Hopefully our 2020 recruit is the real deal.
 

Buffalo Brad

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There were guys open on almost every play. He either did not see them, does not go thru progressions, over threw them or threw behind them. He is not a good QB and is what he is. If none of the others can carry water, we are what we saw today. At some point we will lose enough games to at least give another guy a look and see what he can do.
 

Medford M.

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Would prefer him to redshirt and get a grad transfer for next year
That would be the ideal. Even if one of Stenstrom or Lytle turns out to be a good QB, it'd be good to get someone proven in here to either be the starter, or if he gets beat out, it means one of the incumbents has turned the corner.
 

patebuff

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There were guys open on almost every play. He either did not see them, does not go thru progressions, over threw them or threw behind them. He is not a good QB and is what he is. If none of the others can carry water, we are what we saw today. At some point we will lose enough games to at least give another guy a look and see what he can do.
I've heard from two different people today who were at the game saying there were players open all over the field.
 
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