Is that what scouts and GMs are saying?He's quitting on his team. He could blow an ACL doing his draft drills or tripping over his dog just as easily as getting hurt in the Sun Bowl. No guarantees. Shows greed, not character.
Is that what scouts and GMs are saying?He's quitting on his team. He could blow an ACL doing his draft drills or tripping over his dog just as easily as getting hurt in the Sun Bowl. No guarantees. Shows greed, not character.
I don't care what CC or Elliott has to say. Or Herbie.
What does Stanford say? What does his HC say? What do his teammates say? What does the Sun Bowl say?
I'll help ya, They understand and support CMac.
McCaffrey seems to be the only player in question by the people of AllBuffs so that's who I'm defending. Pretty sure I've mentioned Fournette in this thread as well, but for some reason people think his situation is different and his decision is justified. I'm on the side of the player making whatever decision they think is best for their lives.Dude, your defense of CMac is beyond reason. Not sure where your blind loyalty is coming from but it is a lot more than CMac is giving his teammates and the Stanford fans
It's a problem for you and your fandom of college football.That's what they say. Maybe they mean it. And if this is something that has become ok, I see a problem.
This seems like a stretch. Yes he can get hurt in drills but the likelihood of that happening is way higher in a game.He's quitting on his team. He could blow an ACL doing his draft drills or tripping over his dog just as easily as getting hurt in the Sun Bowl. No guarantees. Shows greed, not character.
It's a problem for you and your fandom of college football.
Yep. I'm not an NFL fan. College becoming more like a business, more like the NFL, is not something I like. I don't have my head in the sand and I'm not a total purist on amateur athletics in the least, but I do still believe in fulfilling your commitments and playing for your team.
I'm also a capitalist and I don't think the "3 years removed from high school" rule is a good one. Guys like Fournette and McCaffrey shouldn't have had to return to college this year. Lamar Jackson should be able to go to the NFL right now if he wants to do so. But those guys do have the option of not playing, signing with an agent, and spending a year working with a trainer. If, instead, they accept a scholarship and membership on the team, they should play when the team has a game for that season and fulfill any other obligations attached to that commitment.
The bigger problem is that we have created two postseasons: 1) games that matter; and, 2) games that don't.That's what they say. Maybe they mean it. And if this is something that has become ok, I see a problem.
Yep. I'm not an NFL fan. College becoming more like a business, more like the NFL, is not something I like. I don't have my head in the sand and I'm not a total purist on amateur athletics in the least, but I do still believe in fulfilling your commitments and playing for your team.
I'm also a capitalist and I don't think the "3 years removed from high school" rule is a good one. Guys like Fournette and McCaffrey shouldn't have had to return to college this year. Lamar Jackson should be able to go to the NFL right now if he wants to do so. But those guys do have the option of not playing, signing with an agent, and spending a year working with a trainer. If, instead, they accept a scholarship and membership on the team, they should play when the team has a game for that season and fulfill any other obligations attached to that commitment.
Me either. But millions are not at stake.On a similar note, I wouldn't want players committed to CU to skip their high school football playoffs or not participate in a post-season All American game or not play basketball or another sport for their high school.
Uhh no I would not. I get what you are saying but I don't agree with it at all.Every player that goes big time D1 has a dream of being a star and making it to the NFL. You guys can disagree with it, but calling these guys bad teammates, "not a warrior", questionable character, selfish, etc is such a basic fan thing to say. If they were your kid, you would be telling them to do the same thing, 100%.
Beholden? Slaves.Exactly - as long as they are using the NCAA as a cost free way of getting elite training, coaching, nutrition, etc. when they would otherwise be trying to somehow stay in shape and get bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled on their own for 3 years, they should be beholden to the school to play all scheduled games.
You don't call it anything other than what it is. Dude I wouldn't wanna play next to.I do not really care either way what a NFL GM thinks.
I actually mostly support the players here, just find it funny some are offended by the "quitting on their team" argument. What else would you call it?
Me either. But millions are not at stake.
Hope you're not implying the integrity of the game...There is a lot at stake, though.
Hope you're not implying the integrity of the game...
BTW - I don't see any incongruence between the notion that the NCAA makes obscene amounts of money off of these kids and that the kids should be paid and the notion that the kids should be beholden to schools they play for.
It's a symbiotic relationship, and for 99.999% of players, even the vast majority of kids that end up becoming pros, they need college football just as much as college football needs them. These kids leave high school light years away from where they need to be to compete on the pro level. College football provides a free process in which these kids get to be able to build their bodies to level it needs to be, while improving their mental grasp of the game - it's invaluable, and it shouldn't be discounted.
Get that but it's a bitch move imho.He is a potential late-first or early-second round draft pick, and is looking to up his stock and stay uninjured, so he made the right decision for him. His teammates understand, and no one is calling him out. Some may have private thoughts.
Ugh. Risk... Reward... Simple as ****. What are you and your crowd not getting?Get that but it's a bitch move imho.
No worries man, I'm not all pissed about it or anything.You guys are welcome to about one more hour on this topic. That's it.
Teammate. What are you not getting?Ugh. Risk... Reward... Simple as ****. What are you and your crowd not getting?
Get that but it's a bitch move imho.
Its a childs game. You never put your personal health at risk when its unneccesary. I would encourage every surefire first rounder or probable day 2 pick to do this.Teammate. What are you not getting?