Build Rick George a Statue (was #fireRickGeorge)

[manhattanbuff]

Isn’t that pretty much exactly what I said? Do a person’s Twitter follows mean they support those viewpoints?

The social media companies say that the answer is mostly yes. This is how companies like Twitter and Bookface (sorry, “meta”) target people for specific advertising and farm engagement to bolster the accuracy in targeting users for new advertisers.

The issue in this thread is about equivocation. The follows aren’t just regular ole conservatives who think that they’d like lower taxes and fewer regulations. The most egregious accounts are people who are white supremacists and fascists.

I suppose you’d be okay if RG used his work account to follow users who advocate for eliminating age limits for sexual consent? What about him following accounts that dabble in snuff porn? What about accounts where they advocate for a return of black enslavement?

The issue here is about perception. RG can dabble in whatever white nationalist fantasies he likes on his own time. Doing so with the University of Colorado Athletic Director badge on a work account is very problematic.

 

[SINKRATZ]

No. If that is what you meant, then you need to say it better.

I said it twice and it’s pretty simple. If you don’t get it that’s on you.

 

[SINKRATZ]

The social media companies say that the answer is mostly yes. This is how companies like Twitter and Bookface (sorry, “meta”) target people for specific advertising and farm engagement to bolster the accuracy in targeting users for new advertisers.

The issue in this thread is about equivocation. The follows aren’t just regular ole conservatives who think that they’d like lower taxes and fewer regulations. The most egregious accounts are people who are white supremacists and fascists.

I suppose you’d be okay if RG used his work account to follow users who advocate for eliminating age limits for sexual consent? What about him following accounts that dabble in snuff porn? What about accounts where they advocate for a return of black enslavement?

The issue here is about perception. RG can dabble in whatever white nationalist fantasies he likes on his own time. Doing so with the University of Colorado Athletic Director badge on a work account is very problematic.

Everything a public person does in public is fair game, yes, but as an AD is it impacting his ability to do his job effectively? If collectively fans decide to stop supporting the school or stop donating money because they disapprove of RG’s choices here then that’s capitalism - personally I’m not prepared to assign those beliefs onto someone because of a Twitter follow.

 

[Agent Dave Kujan]

You still don’t have a defense for the Athletic Director at Colorado following fascists with his work account.

I’m happy it gives you happiness to insult me. Your insults don’t invalidate my arguments.

I think it could be true that he is following facists. I think that at lot of the “influencers” on Twitter might be nothing more than sales funnels for the budding collectivist tyrannies of fascism or communism. Or they could simply be just people who have views that we don’t agree with.

But we all simply have to better than reverting to name calling everyone that we disagree with.

 

[Hank]

I said it twice and it’s pretty simple. If you don’t get it that’s on you.

This

Isn’t the real question here whether you feel a Twitter follow constitutes some form of endorsement of that person’s beliefs?

is different than this.

The question is whether a person's follows, taken as a whole, reveal something about that person.

Whether it's a single or just a few follows, or a bunch of follows matters. With that said, I'm not at all interested in entering into a protracted argument with you that will bore everyone on this board.

 

[SINKRATZ]

This



is different than this.



Whether it's a single or just a few follows, or a bunch of follows matters. With that said, I'm not at all interested in entering into a protracted argument with you that will bore everyone on this board.

Someone needs a coke and a smile.

 

[manhattanbuff]

Everything a public person does in public is fair game, yes, but as an AD is it impacting his ability to do his job effectively? If collectively fans decide to stop supporting the school or stop donating money because they disapprove of RG’s choices here then that’s capitalism - personally I’m not prepared to assign those beliefs onto someone because of a Twitter follow.

Yes, following fascists influences his ability to fundraise, which is one of his main job functions.

 

[Fogo]

I think it could be true that he is following facists. I think that at lot of the “influencers” on Twitter might be nothing more than sales funnels for the budding collectivist tyrannies of fascism or communism. Or they could simply be just people who have views that we don’t agree with.

But we all simply have to better than reverting to name calling everyone that we disagree with.

bUt tHeY aRe rAcIStS aNd nAzIs!

 

[SINKRATZ]

Yes, following fascists influences his ability to fundraise, which is one of his main job functions.

Has it? I’m not disputing it could, but are donations down since this Twitter follow revelation?

 

[manhattanbuff]

I think it could be true that he is following facists. I think that at lot of the “influencers” on Twitter might be nothing more than sales funnels for the budding collectivist tyrannies of fascism or communism. Or they could simply be just people who have views that we don’t agree with.

But we all simply have to better than reverting to name calling everyone that we disagree with.

You are not responding to the thread. Pointed evidence has been given to indicate the specific follows and beliefs that are problematic.

You continue to ignore this evidence. I disagree with these people because they are white nationalists. I am not labeling them as such because I disagree with them.

 

[manhattanbuff]

Has it? I’m not disputing it could, but are donations down since this Twitter follow revelation?

Well, this revelation has been limited to AllBuffs and his unwillingness to stop following white nationalists. This is a deterrent. Perhaps it’ll be better for journalists to get involved so that he can then answer the question more directly.

 

[SINKRATZ]

Well, this revelation has been limited to AllBuffs and his unwillingness to stop following white nationalists. This is a deterrent. Perhaps it’ll be better for journalists to get involved so that he can then answer the question more directly.

And when donations dry up or support otherwise crumbles due to this Twitter issue then it will have affected his ability to do his job and will warrant action. Until then I’ll focus my outrage toward RG on other issues more directly related to the performance of the AD.

 

[buffaholic]

At the end of the day, Ricks either not smart or a bit extreme in his views. Either way, I’m not impressed.

It’s time to ask him to resign

 

[manhattanbuff]

And when donations dry up or support otherwise crumbles due to this Twitter issue then it will have affected his ability to do his job and will warrant action. Until then I’ll focus my outrage toward RG on other issues more directly related to the performance of the AD.

You do you. You don’t care that the AD follows white nationalists on his work twitter. I do.

Good luck.

 

[buffaholic]

And when donations dry up or support otherwise crumbles due to this Twitter issue then it will have affected his ability to do his job and will warrant action. Until then I’ll focus my outrage toward RG on other issues more directly related to the performance of the AD.

It will for lasting damage to the University and it’s ability to recruit.

 

[SINKRATZ]

You do you. You don’t care that the AD follows white nationalists on his work twitter. I do.

Good luck.

I think we’ve established it’s not a designated “work Twitter” since he’s had the account for years before he came to CU (not that that’s a really important distinction).

I don’t believe RG is a racist or white nationalist, so who he follows on Twitter is not something I’m going to spend time trying to make sense of.

 

[Agent Dave Kujan]

You are not responding to the thread. Pointed evidence has been given to indicate the specific follows and beliefs that are problematic.

You continue to ignore this evidence. I disagree with these people because they are white nationalists. I am not labeling them as such because I disagree with them.

1. I give very little credibility to the evidence that his follows are fascists.
2. Remember, there is a big difference between the terms “patriotic” and “white nationalist.” There are people who are trying to make them synonymous. They are not

 

[Creebuzz]

Once you attach an organization into your Twitter handle or use it to communicate matters related to your job, then the twitter account content becomes property of the organization. Same goes for a mobile phone. Use it for business, then all of the texts and data on that phone can be demanded and obtained by the organization. The courts have generally be clear on that. It’s one reason why I strictly maintain personal accounts, and personal mobile lines separate from corporate ones. (I get subpoenaed enough for this type of stuff to know, and Florida is actually more friendly to individuals than a lot of other states).

#RckGeorgeCU is an official University of Colorado account in that regard. I am confident of that, whether Rick thinks so or not.

As far as his follows and pinned tweets, it’s hard to know for certain what his beliefs are. I totally understand why people are apprehensive about some of the follows given the individuals, but he does follow almost 2,000 accounts so I am with others that we shouldn’t leap to conclusions.

It would be totally appropriate for media to inquire, and let Rick George answer for himself on what is an official CU twitter account.

 

[SINKRATZ]

It will for lasting damage to the University and it’s ability to recruit.

Has anyone he’s worked with, currently works with, or any recruit suggested he holds white nationalist viewpoints? What about our African American Head coach or his #2 in the AD? Has it cost us a single dollar in support or a single recruit? If it has I would love to see the evidence because that would matter to me.

 

[manhattanbuff]

I think we’ve established it’s not a designated “work Twitter” since he’s had the account for years before he came to CU (not that that’s a really important distinction).

I don’t believe RG is a racist or white nationalist, so who he follows on Twitter is not something I’m going to spend time trying to make sense of.

We have not established any such thing. He has a verified account with the name “RickGeorgeCU”. The first line describes his current role as the AD at Colorado. He does not indicate that it is a personal account. He does not state that the views of the account are disassociated from his employ.

I don’t know his belief system. It is irrelevant to the conversation. This twitter account follows white nationalists who vocally profess racists ideology. You don’t think it’s a big deal. I disagree. Good luck.

 

[manhattanbuff]

1. I give very little credibility to the evidence that his follows are fascists.
2. Remember, there is a big difference between the terms “patriotic” and “white nationalist.” There are people who are trying to make them synonymous. They are not

You don’t give credibility because you don’t like the poster who posted the information. The facts in question are not false.

Please don’t condescend about the nature of white nationalism and patriotism. I understand the distinction very well, thank you.

 

[SINKRATZ]

We have not established any such thing. He has a verified account with the name “RickGeorgeCU”. The first line describes his current role as the AD at Colorado. He does not indicate that it is a personal account. He does not state that the views of the account are disassociated from his employ.

I don’t know his belief system. It is irrelevant to the conversation. This twitter account follows white nationalists who vocally profess racists ideology. You don’t think it’s a big deal. I disagree. Good luck.

You don’t know his belief system, but this is still a big deal to you? I’m not sure how you reconcile those two viewpoints.

Im not sure how anyone can have such strong convictions about a person based solely on Twitter follows.

 

[manhattanbuff]

You don’t know his belief system, but this is still a big deal to you? I’m not sure how you reconcile those two viewpoints.

Im not sure how anyone can have such strong convictions about a person based solely on Twitter follows.

I take it you haven’t had a chance to read this portion of the thread.

 

[SINKRATZ]

I take it you haven’t had a chance to read this portion of the thread.

I’ve read enough to know that people are extremely upset about Twitter follows.

I have this vision of Allen Iverson in my head:
“We talking ‘bout Twitter follows. Not his job performance, not actual social media posts, we talking ‘bout Twitter follows.”

 

[manhattanbuff]

I’ve read enough to know that people are extremely upset about Twitter follows.

I have this vision of Allen Iverson in my head:
“We talking ‘bout Twitter follows. Not his job performance, not actual social media posts, we talking ‘bout Twitter follows.”

Good luck.

 

[SINKRATZ]

Good luck.

Is this like your version of “Carpe Diem”?

Thanks I guess.

 

[manhattanbuff]

Is this like your version of “Carpe Diem”?

Thanks I guess.

What else is there to discuss? You haven’t bothered to read the thread. You’re okay with the AD following white nationalists on his work Twitter account. I’m not.

Would you prefer that I tell you to “**** off”?

 

[SINKRATZ]

What else is there to discuss? You haven’t bothered to read the thread. You’re okay with the AD following white nationalists on his work Twitter account. I’m not.

Would you prefer that I tell you to “**** off”?

I’ve read the thread. You and I can probably both agree that we don’t know what RG’s beliefs are (you’ve acknowledged that already), and neither of us know why he follows those accounts. You’re not willing to say you think RG is a racist or holds white nationalist views but you’ve decided that just following certain Twitter accounts is unacceptable and I don’t agree. Good luck.

 

[manhattanbuff]

I’ve read the thread. You and I can probably both agree that we don’t know what RG’s beliefs are (you’ve acknowledged that already), and neither of us know why he follows those accounts. You’re not willing to say you think RG is a racist or holds white nationalist views but you’ve decided that just following certain Twitter accounts is unacceptable and I don’t agree. Good luck.

Finally! A person who is willing to say that they’re fine with the Athletic Director of the University of Colorado following white nationalist accounts on his work account. A milestone.

 

[SINKRATZ]

Finally! A person who is willing to say that they’re fine with the Athletic Director of the University of Colorado following white nationalist accounts on his work account. A milestone.

Let me rephrase - I’m not going to make sense of who someone follows on Twitter or why, so from that perspective I don’t really care who anyone follows.

Does he like to hate scroll Twitter like a lot of people? Did his follow of Boebert trigger a bunch of suggested follows that he clicked without much thought? Is it the Twitter equivalent of slowing down to look at a car wreck? Does he like to troll accounts of people he thinks are ridiculous? Does he make an effort to follow differing and extreme viewpoints? Or is he a closeted bigot who believes women shouldn’t be able to vote? I don’t know and neither do you, so until someone asks him and gets that answer, I’m not getting worked up over who he follows.