Belichick, but I do not think Pete Carroll is a crazy answer.
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Belichick, but I do not think Pete Carroll is a crazy answer.
Carroll is a great runner-up and elite football coach, but choosing Carroll over BB would be crazy, IMO.
Only point of contention is that Shaw did more than maintain what Harbaugh achieved in his best year. He exceeded it by maintaining the dominance over USC while burying Oregon - the hump Harbaugh couldn't get over to win the division. And let's not forget that Shaw was Harbaugh's OC when that Stanford program got built. I think Shaw is the most under-appreciated elite coach in college football.
Peterson is not a top 10 coach yet in my book. Not enough track record above in the big boy club yet, only 3 seasons or so and only one good season.
Shaw has impressed me given how long he has sustained Stanford. I discounted him as riding Harbaugh's coattails, but no longer. Still too conservative on offense, but stands alone at the top of the Pac-12.
If I'm hiring a coach to run my program:
1) Saban
2) Meyers
3) Harbaugh
A bunch of guys in a pool below them.
Shaw has impressed me given how long he has sustained Stanford. I discounted him as riding Harbaugh's coattails, but no longer. Still too conservative on offense, but stands alone at the top of the Pac-12.
If I'm hiring a coach to run my program:
1) Saban
2) Meyers
3) Harbaugh
A bunch of guys in a pool below them.
Been refreshing CBSsports off and on all day. Top 25 finally dropped. http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ge-football-coaches-entering-the-2017-season/
1. Nick Saban (#1 in 2016)
2. Urban Meyer (#2 in 2016)
3. Dabo Swinney (#3 in 2016)
4. Jimbo Fisher (#6 in 2016)
5. Jim Harbaugh (#10 in 2016)
Pac-12:
7. Chris Petersen (#14 in 2016)
8. David Shaw (#9 in 2016)
14. Kyle Whittingham (#23 in 2016)
25. Mike Leach (#30 in 2016)
1. Nick Saban (#1 in 2016)
2. Urban Meyer (#2 in 2016)
3. Dabo Swinney (#3 in 2016)
4. Jimbo Fisher (#6 in 2016)
5. Jim Harbaugh (#10 in 2016)
Pac-12:
7. Chris Petersen (#14 in 2016)
8. David Shaw (#9 in 2016)
14. Kyle Whittingham (#23 in 2016)
25. Mike Leach (#30 in 2016)
If you want to talk about coaches who haven't "won" anything - how about Mike Leach? Never won a conference championship but if all you want is an 8-4 record every single year then he's your guy.
Which has put him in the 25-30 range the past couple years. Not elite, but on the very, very good list. I think it's fair. Probably aren't more than 25 guys who could match his record if coaching at TTU and WSU. And if he keeps it going another 20 years he'll be ranked Top 10 like Snyder is.
Whittingham at 14, huh? Is he an elite coach at the P5 level?
He's up there if you asked ADs who they'd love to be able to hire if the HC job opened at their school.
Why is that?
Dude wins. Moved his roster from G5 to P5, didn't matter. Staff turns over - doesn't matter. Most places think his Utah success would be the baseline for what he'd achieve anywhere else since most other places have more tradition, more resources, better facilities and better recruiting grounds.
Get lighter skin?
Note: I'm 100% sure that isn't what influenced Highlander's comment, but it is an unfortunate reality in our society.
To be clear (and thanks for not calling me out), I feel this way about every coach picking up a team at its pinnacle - and it generally proves to be true. Hawkins just made me doubly cynical about that profile - I'm scarred.
That's right. Don't discount those mighty Pioneer League Championships at USD. Beating such football powers such as Dayton, Marist, Butler, Valpraiso, the Camels of Campbell, and of course mighty Drake. Yes, this is an insane conference. The wonders of non-scholarship football.
I mean he was working with Pioneer League talent himself, it's not like he had a P5 roster to work with. And it was his first head coaching job after only 2 years as a QB coach with the Raiders so to dominate his league like that so quickly and with so little experience was pretty impressive.
He gets a bump because he is the eccentric, goofy guy. Not close to the coach Snyder is and never will be. One (!?!?) double-digit win season in his entire career? By contrast, Snyder already had six at that point in his career.
I didn't mean for that to come off that way, but I see why I it did. I was at USD while Harbaugh was there, they were awesome. He did get some quality talent to come, we referred to our QB Josh Johnson as I-AA Michael Vick (this was before the dog fighting thing). He's still bouncing around as an NFL backup, he's with the Giants now.
For every thing that is right for Wittingham, something seems to be wrong as well:
1) Hasn't achieved that genuine breakout season
2) Coaches keep leaving him or getting fired - and this is a red flag
I place him as Mike Leach 2.0. A guy who can consistently win 8-9 games, but will not take you farther.
1) Hasn't achieved that genuine breakout season
2) Coaches keep leaving him or getting fired - and this is a red flag
I place him as Mike Leach 2.0. A guy who can consistently win 8-9 games, but will not take you farther.
I'd keep him above Leach purely because at least he doesn't lose to FCS schools all the time. That's honestly a really big knock on Leach for me..
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Probably before your time, but Snyder invented the cupcake schedule. 3 absolute guaranteed wins to start the season and a very crappy B12 made for some relatively easy 10 win seasons.
Leach has made a living off cupcake schedules as well. Disagree somewhat on your take on the Big 12. He was winning 10+ games a year before the North turned to complete crap.
No arguments on Leach. Snyder had one great team in all his years at KSU. One. And that one team choked away the B12 championship game to TAMU in the 4th quarter.
Repeat 2016.
Yup. After winning best D.C. award, turning around SJSU and now CU w all his COTY awards...another 10 win season should put him in the top 25.
Mick Ronson
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the KSU team that lost to eventual champ Oklahoma twice (in close games) was very very good to great. really good and physical on D. mauled Tennessee in their bowl game. 2000 i think.