Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Mar 14, 2011.
Look we all know Dan Beebe is a sniveling little **** who earns a paycheck kissing DeLoss Dodds' ass. The chair of the committee is the AD from the cheating Ohio St. The NCAA is a bunch of self-serving a-holes who will never punish the tOSU, OU, U$C set. Why are we surprised?
I'm upset as much as anyone but get over it. We shouldn't have lost to SF, Harvard, Oklahoma and A&M. This wouldn't have been an issue if we won the games we should have
As Sackman put it, so did every team seeded 8 or higher. Every team has bad losses, CU is no different. Most people had CU even no longer on the bubble given their body of work. This was a snub pure and simple, and yes politics had as much to do with it as bad losses. To say otherwise is naive.
Does everyone here realize that during the selection process Beebe must leave the room anytime a Big 12 team is discussed?
conspiracy theories do not hold any water, and thank you Carolina. This is absolutely ridiculous...but then again, looking at who started the thread, it makes sense in how nonsensical it is.
I would never doubt the expert, but is this fact? Link?
No. Moral of the story is, make a hard schedule. Doesn't matter if you get killed by 20 every game during that schedule, but schedule hard.
edit: Or, if you can't pull that off, make your conference has someone on the selection committee.
Im glad that someone else is aware of this. Im sick of reading these conspiracy theories from people who have no idea how the process works. Bebe was not given an opportubity to lobby for CU or against CU. Yes we got screwed, but thats a result of stupidity, not forces conspiring against us. Even if Bebe didint have to leave the room, what is it hes going to do? Slip the other comittee member 20 bucks?
Me, an expert? :lol:
Here's one link I found it on and it was also brought up by Gottlieb on Mike and Mike this morning:
So the guy from the Big East didn't even make the trip?
I am still livid, but hope the team can go on a run to give the NCAA a big ole middle finger.
I heard that Tad Boyle was buying home NIT tickets for all student season ticket holders. Top shelf right there.
The Big East commissioner isn't on the committee.
what I am interested in knowing is what the "15 separate factors" are and how are they voted on?
the one in particular that the selection committee chair mentioned in his interview with cbs yesterday had to do with "style of play". if that is one of the criteria, i would be real interested in how they look a that objectively and what benchmarks they use to determine the teams that have the best "style"...
Can we get over this "if we won the games we should have" bull****. We won enough games to get in, end of discussion. The people resorting to the "if we won the games we should have" argument are sorry excuses for Buff fans and ought to get off their high horse. There isn't a team in the country that didn't lose a game their fans felt they should have won this year (Ohio State lost at Wisonsin and Purdue, Kansas got spanked at KSU, Duke lost at Va Tech, and Pitt lost at home to Tennessee). Yeah, those losses are "better" than our losses, but are games those teams "should have" won.
I understand that the nonconference schedule needs to get better. I understand we had some bad losses. But, there is no valid reason why we aren't in the tournament and the top basketball minds in the country agree with me. It makes me sick to see fans on AllBuffs justifying why we aren't in the tournament. ****!
Way to crush my joke line the selection committee crushed our dreams.:lol:
As tempting as this is to blame Beebe, after reflecting on this all I can really support is the idea that he is just incompetent compared to deliberately malicious. Given the way the rest of the Big 12 was seeded (with the exception of KjucuSU ironically) the key takeaway seems to be that the committee thought the Big 10 is way, way better than the Big 12, despite the Big 12 being 6-0 against them in heads up play.
Like it matters if Beebe is in the room or not. The guy obviously lobbied against us. There's no other explanation. There's no way you can look at the teams that got in and look at CU and say that CU is the worse choice. You can't. I don't care about the early season schedule. That's a straw man. It's irrelevant. It's a diversion from the real issue.
Yes, but that is a token measure of attempting to eliminate bias...there's nothing stopping Beebe or anyone else on the committee from politicking at other times before or during the selection process when a given team isnt necessarily on the table for discussion...
he can lick my taint.
so irrelevant that your three baseless assertions "lobbied against us, no other explanation, no way you can look...."...is a stronger argument? our SOS sucked, that's a demonstrable fact.
persecution complex and irrationality every time.
aliens building the pyramids type stuff, here. Beebe is both incompetent (a popular and invincible AB theme) and the master puppeteer. great stuff.
find any reason other than the obvious. Jerry Palm left CU out of his bracket because he knew Beebe was lobbying behind the scenes against CU.
when you have an rpi in the 60's, history shows your chances are radically diminished.
Our SOS sucked, but USC's was better? Listen, I'm not defending our SOS, but there were several teams that got in with worse. When a logical explantion is not available, an illogical one is all that remains. There HAS to be something going on here. Nobody can look at what happened and make any sense of it. So the only explanation has to be nonsensical.
sure, my point is that the committee is inconsistent and there's probably favoritism of all sorts....but, we can look for a scapegoat or an explanation based in logic and something that we can change. and that is the SOS. we gave ourselves no margin for error and in order to avoid the vagaries you need to eliminate what margin for error you can, and it was hard-wired into the schedule. we GAVE them a reason to plausibly leave us out. and that fact was set in stone when we tipped off in November.
and i most certainly am not going to attribute to Beebe overlord/Don Corleone type influence in this.
I guess there was no reason for us to even bother playing the Big XII schedule. All that mattered was our non-conference SOS. Once that was settled, the season was over.... :huh:
rep. every single argument that someone can make as for why CU didn't make it can be refuted easily.
bad loses - so did every team that is an 8 seed or lower?
poor SOS - how did UAB/VCU...... (insert about 8 other teams with a worse RPI than CU) get in?
low RPI - how did USC get in?
When there are five teams with the same approximate SOS, and four of them get in ahead of the team that had more wins against ranked teams than the others, that doesn't set off any alarms for you? The selection committee had the same excuse to leave out USC or Tennessee as it had for CU. So... what happened? We haven't been given an explanation other than "CU didn't have the votes". That tells me that somebody was lobbying against CU. What does it tell you?
I really dont see why non conf sos matters so much, especially for the schools in the tougher conferences. All that should matter is the overall sos. In football no one cares that Florida basically plays a I-AA schedule non conf because they are in the sec. On the otherhand boise needs tough non conf games to get to the bcs. The same logic should apply to basketball.
and USC, UAB, and VCU gave the committee multiple reasons each for them to be plausibly left out...oh wait, they're in, my bad...:rolling_eyes:
1) Dan Beebe's final act of authority as he officially cedes all of it to DeLoss Dodds. Good luck MU, KU, ISU, KSU, BU, TT, ATM, OU and OSU. You're going to need it.
2) Least coast bias ****es us again!
3) Feel bad for Cory Higgins, Levi and the rest of the team. To work so hard with a first year coach, earn a gimme NCAA bid and have it snatched away out of spite, jealousy, and bias.
4) Come back Alec. Work on your defense and outside shot to refine your NBA game. Win, win and win next year. PAC conference championship=no way we can be snubbed.
Hang your head high Buffalo basketball! Great season! Go ***k yourself selection committee!
I think that we're way too focused on our SOS and not critical enough of our style of play. We really need to do something about that if we want to be considered more seriously by the tournament committee.
All season, watching games, I remember thinking 'this style of play just isn't going to get it done'.
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