Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by Idot Buff, Feb 3, 2011.
Not that I care.....
"Colorado will need to start showing some success on the field before it sees major improvement on the recruiting trail."
It wasn't an unfair description, who cares what letter grade they give us. But the proof is in the pudding, as the quoted statement indicates...
ESPN is also the same site that gave Lucien a 2 star. I don't trust them as much as much as I can throw them. Bunch of douchebags.
Simple fact of the matter is that if we'd gotten Lucien and Willingham, that D becomes a B. Two players of that caliber can make a world of difference to a recruiting class.
Given the circumstances he was left with, I think Embree did a remarkable job. But make no mistake, this class is short on guys who will be making a serious impact. Definitely a few good ones, but it's not like it's overflowing with talent to take us to the MNC game.
I could give two ****s less about a MNC, I just want to go bowling and bring CU back to being respectful in the country, then the players will start flowing in. Improving every year is all we need to do right now and worry about MNC's later.
i just want to be the mother****ing bow.
While true, did anyone expect anything different? To me this class is a holding pattern, which is about the best you can realistically hope for in a transition year. While CU didn't improve dramatically, the Buffs didn't drop off the map either.
I would give us a C+ grade. Is it the type of class that we will want next year? No. At the same time though it was a very solid class with some promising looking players in it that Embree and Co. were able to bring together in a couple of weeks. I don't think that a D is fair when you consider what we were up against this recruiting cycle.
This might be the CU kool-aid talking too, but I see us looking back on this class very favorably in 4-5 years.
What this recruiting class got us - more than anything - is a start on establishing relationships to powerhouse programs for the future. We shouldn't have expected any of the 4 or 5 stars to flip to us, but having a presence in those places means that next years 4 and 5 star players will have seen us there, and may be more inclined to give us a chance. Great work by the staff IMO.
ESPN SUCKS, I thought CU fans knew that.
How do you give it a C+? That's above average. The class ranks at the bottom of the pac 12.
When you factor in the obstacles that we were facing in this recruiting cycle I believe that this is a slightly above average class. I am not saying that it would be a C+ next year, just that for a transitional class where we had 2 weeks of contact with recruits I was expecting us to not do as well.
Yeah. I'm pretty much finished with excuses.
Edit: Not that that is not a valid point. I understand the obstacles the staff had. I'm just trying to call things as I see them and not sugarcoat anymore.
I gave espin a D. They didn't like it.
It's not sugar coating anything. Embree and Company had 13 DAYS to recruit and they still pulled a damn good transition class. Danny Boy left the recruiting bare. I would give this class a B based on the circumstances.
i think its two fold. on one side, just an objective look at the overall numbers and rankings of the players compared to other programs, i can easily see where the "D" comes from. on the other side, with perspective, knowing what the staff was up against and flipping 8 players or so from commitments at other programs and signing a class near 20 with the ability to now benifit from (hopefully) a coaching staff that can coach them up, i can see where a fan will come up with a "C+" grade.
neither is fantastic. neither is wrong (imo) and both have validity to thier arguments (imo). depends on the lens you want to use to look at the class.
right now its all speculation. if the staff is legit and knows how to develop talent, these two and three star kids will be playing like 4 and 5 star kids in a few years. if not, then they better recruit lights out the next few years and hope they can reach thier potential on thier own. either way, we will see the results on the field in the next few years and that is where it will matter.
while this was not a stellar class by any magin, there is potential. it can not be, however, the norm.
Bottom line business. No reason to grade on a curve. Wins and losses won't be decided on a curve.
I like our OL recruits and liked the athleticism of the defensive prospects.
We need to do better than this, though.
**** ESPiN. They should do another heartfelt piece on little Johnny scrapping his knee and STFU.
Normally I would agree but I think pulling those recruits and being able to flip 7 of them in 13 days should be worth a lot more than a D.
I'm with Daaah on this one. Sure, there were obstacles and I think the new staff did an admirable job, but to give them anything above the D+/C- range is being pretty generous.
I don't give espin that much credit. They won't take the time to use what little brain-power they have to look at the entire situation. Less that 30 days with a full staff produced 16/17 recruits. The class addressed speed and athleticism, and needs at specific positions (DB, LB, OL) based on class distribution. It was actually a decent class for a transition year.
We are all obviously biased towards the Buffs, but a dog is capable of deeper thought than what espin attempted in this evaluation.
yeah. i understand that. and i agree. i will also say again, it depends on the lens one looks through. if one is just judging stars and ranking one program against the other, the ranking makes sense. im not saying its right, balanced, fair ect... just saying i understand it.
i absolutly agree it was a decent class. i just dont expect much from a site that does national recruiting rankings being fair with a transition year at any program that has been down as much at CU has. i am in no way suprised at espn's opinion of the class and i dont much care what they think. we will know all we need to know in the next few year because of the product on the field.....
I give espn an F for **** you, espn! And you too, Miller! (tom, not Marissa)
Had a conversation with a boomer fan at work today. Got on the subject of the various recruiting services.
He mentioned that Rivals started in tehass (can't remember who he said was the founder). Kinda explains why Rivals tends to over value players from that state. A good example was the year tehass produced several 5*, can't miss, QB prospects, including Mitch Mustain, Rhett Bomar, Lee (FSU?). Not surprising, they all basically missed in one way or another.
Too bad Scout seems to slant towards the schools with higher "subscriptions", and that Lemming tends to have favorites (schools, that is).
Moral of the story? I guess when it comes to recruiting services, you get what you get.
If any of the recent commits are reading this, I think it's important to point out this is a discussion of the rating results, not of individual talent or capability. We only have to look to last year to see the heights that a 2* out of high school can reach. We are extremely excited to have you all aboard! You are Year One for Embree's tenure. Go Buffs!
ESPN needs to slow down! At this rate I'm going to have to hit the hobby stores this weekend for another bulletin board.
absolutly! could not agree more. i do believe that this staff will be able to coach this kids up to reach thier real potential. shoot, there are tons of two and three star recruits in the NFL and it appears that CU will be sending a couple more to the NFL in the first round of this years draft. i am proud of and happy for the kids that CU is getting this year. i expect that they will do great things over their years at CU. i would not trade any one of them for any other player on the board. they will be winners.
The ESPN grade judged the class on its merits. It's a 2.5 to 3 start class of 19 guys - short on both counts as far as comparison to other classes. The description allowed for the task Embree had. There was nothing unfair there. As far as kids reading this thread goes - they see the average ratings of other classes, too, and know where ours stands. Hopefully that makes them want to work that much harder to get their coaches' message and perform on the field. From what I've heard, the veteran players have taken to the new standard, and fully expect we'll be making improvements right away, and year over year.
With the few days they had actual contact and obstacles, yes,they did a damn good job putting this class together but all future classes will need to be better, much better.
CU needs wins on the field period. The days of excuses are over. They left with the last staff.
You aren't qualified to grade this class. Sorry. I will, however, consider your mom's opinion.
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