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Fire hose or building blocks

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by skibum, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. skibum

    skibum Did not pee on the Alamo. Club Member

    Nov 24, 2010
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    I'm going to try and keep this from being a dissertation, but it may get long.

    Let's start with this picture that Bone Buff uploaded:

    You've got two choices:
    A. The defense was designed to look like that
    B. The players were in the wrong place

    Brown may be in over his head, but even a GA wouldn't design a defense to line up like that. So, I really doubt "A" is correct; it's more likely that one or more players were lined up wrong.

    That doesn't mean this disaster was the players' fault. It means that the coaches' failure happened well before the play was called. Again, we have two choices:
    A. They failed to prepare the players to play the defense
    B. They designed a defense that their players are incapable of playing

    Either way, this is a disaster of a coaching effort. But, I suspect that there may be a third option, and that is:
    C. They designed a defense that their players are incapable of playing yet, and they have decided the best/only/fastest way to get them to being capable of playing it is to implement it as fast as they can.

    Basically, think of it this way: if you have a big pile of knowledge and skills that you're supposed to teach someone, one option available to you is the "fire hose" method. Just blast all of it at them as fast as you can, and keep on going until it "clicks." For some skills, for some people, this method actually works well. The students feel lost for weeks, even months, and then all the sudden, everything comes together and they actually "get it." In other situations, with other skills and other people, you have to take the incremental approach, and use building blocks. First master addition, then subtraction, then multiplication, then division, then algebra and on up to n-dimensional fractal geometry.

    There is of course a hybrid: use basic building blocks to a point, and then turn on the fire hose. Which is what I think this staff did/is trying to do. Last year, they tried to get the entire team to the same basic level of competency, fitness and attitude. And this year, they turned on the fire hose. It is entirely possible that this method could still work - if it's going to work, it will be obvious when it happens: over the course of 2-3 games, everything will all at once be different.

    I still sort of hope that it works. But I really doubt that it will. The fire hose method of teaching usually only works well when the students can be focused almost entirely on the subject at hand. In this case, the "students" can really only focus on the subject for 20 hours a week, and they have all sorts of other things interfering with life - classes, girlfriends, just plain getting used to college, and growing up in general.

    Long story short: I think coaches tried a short-cut; I don't think it's going to work.
  2. HUFset

    HUFset Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    D. Call a |=ucking timeout

    Still, piss poor coaching.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  3. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

    Nov 20, 2006
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    Look at how the Falcons flabbergasted Manning early. I think that's what our coaches are trying to do.

    Unfortunately, we don't have NFL size, speed and most notably experience. We need to change our base sets.
  4. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

    Dec 16, 2011
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    I, for one, was flabbergasted by our defense.
  5. Dunken

    Dunken Member

    Mar 25, 2009
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    CU football gets/give me flabbergasted......
  6. SJBuff

    SJBuff Club Member Club Member

    Jul 8, 2005
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    I talked with an ex player and he said you could have a defensive play designed like the one in the photo (stacked on one side forcing the play to the right) but you would only use it in particular situations. He also said you would never use a play like that in that situation. Goal line situation usually calls for a hat on a hat.
  7. RalphieSpeaks

    RalphieSpeaks Club Member Club Member

    Sep 23, 2005
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    I used to try things like that on the PS3 and it would rarely work and only if the guy I was going against was a complete fool.....can't imagine it working for real.
  8. jpbuff

    jpbuff Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2008
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    Maybe Brown, after reviewing hours of tape saw that Fresno loved to run off the left side during goal line situations. So being the genius he is, he says to himself, hey lets just load up on that side and we will shut them down. The Fresno qb has got to be thinking to himself, wtf are they doing over there. I think we'll just run this one to the right side.

    Unless this formation was done on purpose. Why is someone not running out on the field screaming for a timeout.
  9. NYbuffDIEHARD

    NYbuffDIEHARD Active Member

    Sep 8, 2005
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    I have been screaming this for 2 years now with Embree in these blow outs. We all can clearly see when the game is heading off the tracks. At least call a timeout and bring them in and say something!!!!!!! Anything. God, it may not help and we may still be on the way to falling behind big again but he never calls any timeouts, I mean what is he saving them for? The games are never close to where we actually need them. Call a time out talk to them. Try something, please!

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