AlferdJasper
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I didn't understand much about how/when a scholarship football player can transfer from one school to another, so I looked up to find other case histories.
Only found a few. Just sharing in case anyone else finds interesting. I think Robert Marve's (the last one on this post) provides the most information.
Some of these are about eligibility, waivers for additional year, etc. Marve's story is more about a voluntary transfer and the limitions a university can put on a potential transfer or receiving school
Transfer Stories
Trying to figure out what to expect from Josh Smith's request to Transfer, CU's decision to limit him to USC, and the appeal process.
NONE of these stories are "just like" Josh's, but maybe some of you will find them interesting, as I did. Each one is another clue to the way things go between colleges, scholarships, LOI contracts, appeals, etc.
Brandon Warren (Left Florida State, Wanted to Transfer to Tennessee to be nearer an ailing mother; Florida State attempted to block his transfer.)
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/aug/02/waiting-is-the-hardest-part/
The outcome (link here):
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2007/04/warrens_last_tr.html
The case went up to Federal Court, Thompson lost.
Court rejects ex-Gamecock's appeal
Federal court upholds Thompson ruling
http://www.thestate.com/591/story/756640.html
Michigan Quarterback Ryan Mallett equested waiver to play immediately after transferring to Arkansas. (2008)
The NCAA has denied an appeal filed by the University of Arkansas on behalf of football student-athlete Ryan Mallett seeking a waiver to grant eligibility for competition in the 2008 season after transferring from the University of Michigan.
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/V...30726&SPID=2419&DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=1456236
(note: Michigan did not prevent the transfer. However he was brought in under one coach, and then R Rodriguez came on board, a situation with historically the most sympathy for the athlete caught in middle of a coaching change.)
Vidal Hazelton requests release from USC to be closer to home, (no evidence that USC limited choices.)
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/03/sports/sp-uscfyi3
NCAA denies Hazelton request for eligibility (June 2009)
(Vidal Hazelton left Southern California for Cincinnati, requested to play right away.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ncinnati.hazelton.ap/index.html?eref=si_ncaaf
Miami Hurricanes QB leaves for Purdue
Purdue offers scholarship to Robert Marve, will play in 2010.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-robert-marve-transfers-purdue-s052009,0,917789.story
Sounds like Marve wanted to play at Tennessee, but “Marve would've had the same opportunity under Lane Kiffin at Tennessee, but only as a walk-on. Miami wouldn't release Marve from his scholarship to play at the SEC school.”
Interesting quote: once Marve told them he wanted to leave, he was limited from transferring to ANY of 27 named schools.
Wow.
(Rivals premium article: Block on Marve Transfer Out of Bounds)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-marve010308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
That included all 11 of the other teams in the ACC, all 12 in the SEC and four others in the state of Florida.
Later Miami softened the ban to allow Marve to transfer on scholarship to any SEC school other than Florida, LSU and Tennessee – and NO schools within Florida, no matter the conference.
Since Marve was from Tampa, and wanted to transfer because his father had prostate cancer, understandably wanted to stay in the Southeast, if not in state.
Speculation in the article was that Miami’s coach wanted to use Marve’s situation to intimidate his other players who might consider transferring.
Oklahoma’s Stoops says the opposite:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2009/01/10/0110marve.html
When a University of Oklahoma football player wants to transfer, there's very little drama that comes along with it. Stoops says, if you aren't happy here, go and good luck to ya. (He was interviewed about Marve's situation.)
"''Let him go where ever he wants to,' is pretty much all I can remember saying," Sooners coach Bob Stoops said. "I don't much care where they go."
Interesting point – details about the university appeal process:
Only found a few. Just sharing in case anyone else finds interesting. I think Robert Marve's (the last one on this post) provides the most information.
Some of these are about eligibility, waivers for additional year, etc. Marve's story is more about a voluntary transfer and the limitions a university can put on a potential transfer or receiving school
Transfer Stories
Trying to figure out what to expect from Josh Smith's request to Transfer, CU's decision to limit him to USC, and the appeal process.
NONE of these stories are "just like" Josh's, but maybe some of you will find them interesting, as I did. Each one is another clue to the way things go between colleges, scholarships, LOI contracts, appeals, etc.
Brandon Warren (Left Florida State, Wanted to Transfer to Tennessee to be nearer an ailing mother; Florida State attempted to block his transfer.)
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/aug/02/waiting-is-the-hardest-part/
The outcome (link here):
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2007/04/warrens_last_tr.html
Moe Thompson left South Carolina to go to Grambling, after he'd been suspended by USC ... then sued South Carolina because he claimed they were blocking his transfer to Grambling." Freshman tight end Brandon Warren lost his last recourse with Florida State Monday in his bid to be released from his scholarship. A three-member faculty panel unanimously denied Warren's appeal, agreeing with Bobby Bowden's decision in February that Warren not be released. Without the release, Warren cannot play football on scholarship at another Div. I school and would have to pay his own way.
"It is the determination of the faculty panel that the information presented by Brandon Warren does not rise to the level of ‘objective evidence that proves the student-athlete’s extraordinary personal hardship’ and is insufficient to support his appeal of the NCAA and FSU transfer policy," the committee, chaired by faculty athletic rep Joe Beckham, said in a statement Monday afternoon."
The case went up to Federal Court, Thompson lost.
Court rejects ex-Gamecock's appeal
Federal court upholds Thompson ruling
http://www.thestate.com/591/story/756640.html
Michigan Quarterback Ryan Mallett equested waiver to play immediately after transferring to Arkansas. (2008)
The NCAA has denied an appeal filed by the University of Arkansas on behalf of football student-athlete Ryan Mallett seeking a waiver to grant eligibility for competition in the 2008 season after transferring from the University of Michigan.
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/V...30726&SPID=2419&DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=1456236
(note: Michigan did not prevent the transfer. However he was brought in under one coach, and then R Rodriguez came on board, a situation with historically the most sympathy for the athlete caught in middle of a coaching change.)
Vidal Hazelton requests release from USC to be closer to home, (no evidence that USC limited choices.)
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/03/sports/sp-uscfyi3
NCAA denies Hazelton request for eligibility (June 2009)
(Vidal Hazelton left Southern California for Cincinnati, requested to play right away.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ncinnati.hazelton.ap/index.html?eref=si_ncaaf
Miami Hurricanes QB leaves for Purdue
Purdue offers scholarship to Robert Marve, will play in 2010.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-robert-marve-transfers-purdue-s052009,0,917789.story
Sounds like Marve wanted to play at Tennessee, but “Marve would've had the same opportunity under Lane Kiffin at Tennessee, but only as a walk-on. Miami wouldn't release Marve from his scholarship to play at the SEC school.”
Interesting quote: once Marve told them he wanted to leave, he was limited from transferring to ANY of 27 named schools.
Wow.
.“It didn’t work out. After two years, one season and 11 starts he [Robert Marve] wanted to transfer. Miami coach Randy Shannon said he could but only before taking what is one of the NCAA’s most ethically empty traditions and putting it on steroids.
Schools commonly limit where a player can transfer, often excluding other schools within their conference.
Shannon took it to the extreme. According to Marve, he was prohibited from transferring to 27 schools
(Rivals premium article: Block on Marve Transfer Out of Bounds)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-marve010308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
That included all 11 of the other teams in the ACC, all 12 in the SEC and four others in the state of Florida.
Later Miami softened the ban to allow Marve to transfer on scholarship to any SEC school other than Florida, LSU and Tennessee – and NO schools within Florida, no matter the conference.
Since Marve was from Tampa, and wanted to transfer because his father had prostate cancer, understandably wanted to stay in the Southeast, if not in state.
Speculation in the article was that Miami’s coach wanted to use Marve’s situation to intimidate his other players who might consider transferring.
Oklahoma’s Stoops says the opposite:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2009/01/10/0110marve.html
When a University of Oklahoma football player wants to transfer, there's very little drama that comes along with it. Stoops says, if you aren't happy here, go and good luck to ya. (He was interviewed about Marve's situation.)
"''Let him go where ever he wants to,' is pretty much all I can remember saying," Sooners coach Bob Stoops said. "I don't much care where they go."
Interesting point – details about the university appeal process:
Didn't find any articles that supported an athlete in this type of battle. Apparently, the ncaa tends to support the coaching decisions, courts tend to uphold the LOI that was signed (it is a contract, after all), the appeals process through a university panel typically sided with institution ... in the VERY few articles I could find that mentioned it at all.Athletes who are denied their requests to transfer can challenge the decision through an NCAA-mandated hearing. The appeal must be heard by an "institutional entity or committee outside of the athletics department."
Marve's appeal was reviewed on Thursday by a three-person panel made up of UM administrators and staffers. The committee slightly modified the school's original restrictions by ruling that Marve be allowed to transfer to USF or UCF.
"I don't know how you get an unbiased opinion from university members," Eugene Marve said.
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