My random thoughts none of you give a S*** about

[Ruckus]

@manhattanbuff you like UCLA and Kentucky this bowl season?

UCLA -7.5 is a poor line and am not betting it.
Kentucky +1.5/+2 is a good line and I have a small bet.

ML both of those and parlay those up with Ohio state, TCU ML 1st half. Honest thoughts.

I don’t care about your opinion.

Flounder has me regretting talking him off of UCLA at an idiotic number.

Thankfully for you I doubled down on the Manhattan fade

I’m here for it all. Hope the rest of your parlay hits since it already lost.

 

[Highlander]

I’m here for it all. Hope the rest of your parlay hits since it already lost.

I've watched that at least 10 times and it is still just as funny as the first time.

 

[FLounder]

I’m here for it all. Hope the rest of your parlay hits since it already lost.

Round Robin baby

 

[MtnBuff]

Bottom line on the "scandal:" No criminal charges were ever filed, and everyone knows that the local DA wanted to, but in the end, there was nothing there.

Secondary point to understanding it: most of the national news stories relied on the local reporters "the BDC reported, the DP reported," and not on their own primary reporters.

What they (national media) thought/assumed about the situation; "the local media is *always* supportive of the local big time nationally relavent football program, so if the local media is actually going after them, it must be bad."

It didn't enter their mind that the local media started from an antagonistic point - that's so far outside what you see at any other big time program that they didn't realize the initial premise was false and that they should be double checking the reliability of the local reporters in regards to the facts and narrative they were putting out there.

No charges were ever filed, but leaks were happening out of the DA immediately, and the players were thrown under the bus of public opinion by having their pictures put on the front page of the paper as rapists....and CU did nothing, absolutely nothing to defend them. One of the players that had his picture plastered on the front page, was proven later to not even have been in town during the party, and there was nary a word of retraction or apology.

Re: the public opinion issue, Cindy Carlisle was a regent, and absolutely refused to recuse herself from the issue even though her husband was representing the main accuser. Cindy is dirty, hates football, and leveraged this to her family's benefit (and to the detriment of CU FB), and no one had the spine to call her on it.

It happened at a unique time in CU Sports. There were 3 distinct news outlets competing for stories at the time (BDC, DP, and the Rocky Mountain News)....this is unusual for a university, and it resulted in these news outlets blowing up the story in an effort to attract eyeballs....then it went national and all bets were off because (again) no one at CU had the spine to stand up for the kids or the truth. That's what makes Buffaloed so unique. Bruce Plasket was a beat reporter for the Longmont Times Call, and he saw what the media was doing to the team, what Cindy Carlisle was doing, what the University was not doing....and he published the book with his own money and at great personal expense to himself (in an effort to tell the truth as he saw it). The whole thing was completely ****ed.

And yes, the bowl of condoms was real, and that really happened. No criminal charges were ever filed against anyone, and the accusers mostly walked away with a fat pay day.

You left out some key points, maybe the most important points in this whole thing.

Yes we had a gross conflict of interest in Cindy Carlisle as a regent and her husband representing a plaintiff in a case seeking millions of dollars from the university. We also had a President who was friends with Carlisle, not a supporter of football, and who didn't have the spine to support her employees (coaches) and worse the players who all were painted with a broad brush in this matter despite virtually all of them being quality individuals with nothing, zero, to do with any of the accusations.

We also had a person in the DAs office who again hated football and intended to use attacking football and the publicity it would bring to advance herself politically, at least in the Boulder DA's office and potentially to a state level office. Mary Keenan made up evidence, manipulated evidence, and in some cases made accusations against individuals without any evidence of any kind. She figured that if she dug deep enough something would turn up that would support her. After all it was a bunch of young Black guys from other states, they had to be guilty and nobody would mind them being attacked.

You also left off the worst of the media outlets. Channel Nine News at the time dominated the Denver News market (over 50 shares on most of their newscast slots) and Paula Woodward was their "star" investigative reporter. Mary Keenan fed her stories and Paula ran with them. She as well was not a supporter of college football which didn't fit her 60s/70s feminist views. Eventually Paula ran with every lurid story that came out of Boulder blaming it on football.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

You left out some key points, maybe the most important points in this whole thing.

Yes we had a gross conflict of interest in Cindy Carlisle as a regent and her husband representing a plaintiff in a case seeking millions of dollars from the university. We also had a President who was friends with Carlisle, not a supporter of football, and who didn't have the spine to support her employees (coaches) and worse the players who all were painted with a broad brush in this matter despite virtually all of them being quality individuals with nothing, zero, to do with any of the accusations.

We also had a person in the DAs office who again hated football and intended to use attacking football and the publicity it would bring to advance herself politically, at least in the Boulder DA's office and potentially to a state level office. Mary Keenan made up evidence, manipulated evidence, and in some cases made accusations against individuals without any evidence of any kind. She figured that if she dug deep enough something would turn up that would support her. After all it was a bunch of young Black guys from other states, they had to be guilty and nobody would mind them being attacked.

You also left off the worst of the media outlets. Channel Nine News at the time dominated the Denver News market (over 50 shares on most of their newscast slots) and Paula Woodward was their "star" investigative reporter. Mary Keenan fed her stories and Paula ran with them. She as well was not a supporter of college football which didn't fit her 60s/70s feminist views. Eventually Paula ran with every lurid story that came out of Boulder blaming it on football.

1) you forgot Dr. Dave Hnida (the 9 News personality that happened to be the father of one of the accusers who just so happened to never have named an actually person as her attacker)

2) I intentionally left all of this (and more) off because I didn’t want to go full Mtn with my post

 

[MtnBuff]

1) you forgot Dr. Dave Hnida (the 9 News personality that happened to be the father of one of the accusers who just so happened to never have named an actually person as her attacker)

2) I intentionally left all of this (and more) off because I didn’t want to go full Mtn with my post

Same thing I left the Hnida's off because they were details.

Without Mary Keenan though the whole "scandal" never existed. She was the one who drove the whole thing trying to use it to build her political career.

 

[hawg1]

CU has reeled me back in. I find myself looking at my phone and 247 throughout the day to see who's next. Something I haven't done in at least 10 years.

Prime has done step one. Talent attraction
I always knew it was possible with the right guy and this has been exciting to watch.

Step 2:
Talent evaluation and development. How do you get a large group of mercenary elites to team up and perform to their potential? He's going to have to deliver at a high level. I am excited to see if his strength of personality goes beyond the initial sales pitch. You have NFL talent, now get them into the NFL.

Step 3:
Game management: Does he have a staff that can pull off the close one. I see this as a three-year process with some things to probably be sorted out

Step 4:
Program management: Boulder is a unique beast. Beautiful and unforgiving. In other towns, the system will protect your athletes. In Boulder there is a girl who will invite you to her house, have a party where she hands out condoms at the door, and then blame anything that happens on the football players and staff. They have a DA office and professors on staff that actively will work against you in every way possible. There are predators in every town. In Boulder, there are some in positions of power. When your selling flamboyance and flash, you need to make your athletes understand how much trouble what your selling can result in with elements of a system that wants to tear you down to build themselves up.

I sure want it all to work. Step one sure has been fun to watch!!

Point 4. Provide names, details please.

 

[jsmilkst]

This whole thread sucks. But just wanted to drop in with one overlooked thing in point 4: handing out condoms at a party doesn't constitute consent. Not to mention 20% of college rapes get reported and under a quarter of those lead to arrest. If you wanna be mad about something, start there.

 

[66BUFF]

This whole thread sucks. But just wanted to drop in with one overlooked thing in point 4: handing out condoms at a party doesn't constitute consent. Not to mention 20% of college rapes get reported and under a quarter of those lead to arrest. If you wanna be mad about something, start there.