The 2023 recruiting class is a throw away either way, so I agree let's not lose our minds if the decision isn't made the minute the season ends.
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Official CU Head Coach Search Thread - Primetime
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But losing our minds is what we do best at AB.
Even then, 2023 is not a *total* throwaway if the new coach can snag a handful of guys on the second signing day.
1. You do realize that "methodically" is essentially the opposite of "quickly", right? You are lobbying for a rushed hire for the potential short term gain of holding a below average recruiting class together and hoping to add better recruits by the early signing day. If the hire is someone like Tom Herman, Matt Rhule or Chris Petersen, then I agree that they should make the hire sooner rather than later. Since neither of those are likely...
2. The 2023 recruiting class is not going to have an effect on the 2023 season one way or the other
3. I'd get used to the idea of the 2023 season being a throwaway season in terms of the W/L column regardless of when the hire is made
I guess I don't really view a coach as a "former Buff guy" who coached here as an assistant for a couple years over a decade ago. These coaches are very well traveled and I don't view it as a positive or negative if the above is a coach you are looking at to lead your program.
I don't see RG as a high energy guy, but he will do the best he can with the restraints he's under. There is no quick fix.
ahoelsken
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If we win 3-4 games next year, I'd say that's a success.
A mid or late-November hire, add some quality transfers (hopefully this is a possibility) and recruits before the second signing day, add a few more transfers after Spring Ball, and then yes, hopefully win 3-4 games in 2023. CSU looks like the only game they'll be favored in, but you never know what happens with ASU and Arizona
#2 is the big point.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here- does no one remember Mel Tucker? Where was he a realistic candidate during the 2019 offseason? He took the CU job at like $2.5M per year, parlayed one 5-7 season at CU to a huge payday at MSU and one good season there to generational wealth.
If your teams show a pulse at Colorado, you'll be in line for a huge extension or big payday elsewhere.
Methodically should have already been planned before the season. A responsible AD should be prepared and identify candidates if the wheels fall off. Not be in reaction mode.
I don't understand the pushbsxk of an idea to not wait 2 months to hire. I'm assuming RG met with the Administration to discuss firing Dorrell and laid out a financial plan. I would also assume RG already has a short list of preferred candidates. Those, organizationally, should be a part of a contingency plan. To not have that level of forward thinking is derelict in his duties as an AD. Which takes us back to where this conversation started. If RG is remotely doing his job and planned effectively, choosing a coach from the short list prior to the season ending and allowing that coach to get a jump on recruited is a flawed approach how?
Now, if RG is spinning because he didn't plan, thought Dorrell was the next John Wooden of coaching and the inept quality on the field was a surprise, meaning he isn't prepared to make coaching decisions, then yeah... take your time.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Don't we draw Stanford next year instead of Cal?
You are fantasizing about how you would manage the situation in a video game vs what happens in reality. Nobody that fired a HC is hiring a new one within the next couple weeks, again, with the caveat of it being a home run candidate that's currently unemployed (Herman, Petersen, Rhule, Urban, Stoops, etc)
Some, if not most, coaches won’t move mid-season if they are currently employed. Skip the bowl game? Sure. Bail in the middle of the season? It just doesn’t happen for good reason. You don’t want to eliminate this huge pool of candidates like Grimes, or Choate, or dozens of others.
Of course, if your hire is a presently unemployed coach, leaving a current team in the lurch isn’t an issue. So let’s say you hire Mendenhall tomorrow. It sets up for a very weird dynamic in the team. Is he supposed to jump in and coach? If not, is he meeting with the current assistants and discussing their future? A couple of weeks before the last game, probably fine. Seven games to go. Awkward.
We just need to make a good hire. As I often say to my staff, “Fast is good. Right is better.”
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That is the hope, that the hire is one of those (Herman, Rhule) coaches that are available.
RG has been sloth level slow in previous coaching decisions, I would be beyond disappointed if he doesn't pull the trigger on offering Herman or Rhule, only to see them sign somewhere else and we are left with a 3rd option coach. I can see that happening very easily, why not be proactive.
alh3939
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The next CU coach should focus on the transfer portal to rebuild his roster. Poach some kids from where he is currently and bring some recruits he is working with now to get a jump start. Look at Western Kentucky a couple years ago, they poached Bailey Zappe and Houston Baptist's best WR when they hired the Houston Baptist OC who is now at Texas Tech I think. For this reason, a current coordinator like Grimes might make a ton of sense instead of someone currently out of coaching.
Total incompetence is definitely a restraint...
Glad we don’t allow transfers here…. It might adversely effect our academic standing…. Thanks Phil!
We could raid the Incarnate Word roster....
Ruhle was just fired today. Curious why we would want someone who has just been fired as compared to someone who’s had success at the college level now or recently. What am I missing on Ruhle?
Fascinatingly, they have given us one of our most productive players. At least he’s on the field a lot. Yet, the transfer from Oklahoma seems buried on the depth chart.
What's your definition of success recently? I would say Ruhle has been very successful recently. Did you think Saban was a bad hire for Alabama since he was a disaster in the NFL?
Pretty much everything.
GoBuffs08
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Rhule went 2-10 first year at Temple- His last year was 2016 10-3, ranked 24. 2019 went 11-3 and ranked 13 in AP at **** Bailer.
Ruhle is a guy that knows the college game, how to recruit, and turn programs around
If you're suggesting that they need to hire a coach to keep this class together, that's absolute lunacy. It's the 48th ranked class in the country (an artificially high ranking due to the number of recruits in the class) and by average composite rating there are only 7 P5 classes that are lower.
Any new coach worth his salt will be able to find more 3* players. There's not a single 4* recruit to be poached.
This. GoBuffs08 explains where my snark fell short....
i never said he wouldn’t be a great hire. Definitely someone to consider. And yes, the NFL is totally different. but I’d be more excited about someone on an upward trajectory right now given our recent situation with firing our own coach.
thanks- That’s a pretty impressive turnaround. Point taken!
I didn't mean to be overly snarky. GoBuffs covered it. Rhule has done two pretty good jobs at both of his CFB HC gigs. I kind of doubt he would consider CU. He will have other options.
Lunacy would be reading what I wrote, then deciphering that into me saying I would prefer a coach be hired to keep this class together.