Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Oct 26, 2015.
1. Urban Meyer
2. Nick Saban
3. Mark Dantonio
4. Gary Patterson
5. David Shaw
4. Brian Kelly
Top 5 based on what criteria? Mine is based on Who would I call if I wanted a HC?
3. Les Miles
4. Gary Patterson
5. Dabo Swinney.
1. Meyer (and I don't think it's really that close)
and just because...
8. McElwain [Ducks head in anticipation of multiple objects thrown]
Surprised so many went with Meyer. Big 10 sucks and he left Florida a mess when he left for so called health reasons.
Then it's a mix of Harbaugh (going back to Stanford), Shaw, Patterson, Miles, Seinney and Fischer.
Interesting to me that there's no love for Jimbo Fisher. Dude just went over 2 seasons without losing a regular season game.
It's also interesting to me the perception of Harbaugh. He's never won a conference title. Shaw has 2, fwiw.
Also forgot to add Synder in the mentions. What he did at KSU is nothing short of remarkable.
For me, it has to do with the success he had at Stanford, coupled with the NFL success (especially seeing how awful the 49ers are now), and now the immediate success he's had at Michigan. Turning a sub .500 team into a top 15 team (should be a 1 loss top 10 team) in one year with the nation's best defense.
Harbaugh is the QB whisperer.
You are right. I think he gets overlooked because he inherited a good situation. A lot of good coaches out their. There are also good coaches that are in situations where they will never be the top dog - Fitzgerald at Northwestern, Kill at Minnesota to name a couple who do a lot with less.
3. Bill Snyder (lifetime achievement recognition)
4. Art Briles (**** bailer)
5. Brian Kelly
I'm hoping that Harbaugh can knock Urb off the top spot and bring himself into this conversation. Not so much because I'm a huge Harbaugh fan, but because I can't stand Urb, and I would love to see Urb have a Pete Carroll-style reaction to Harbaugh's antics.
Really hard to narrow it to five. For example, I think Dan Mullen does arguably the best job of anyone in the SEC.
Assuming active head coaches and considering their full body of work
Honorable mention: Harbaugh, Briles, Kelly.
I tend to value coaches that turnaround a program and sustain excellence or have had success at multiple P5 programs, or both.
1. Urban Meyer
2. Urban Meyer
3. Urban Meyer
4. Urban Meyer
5. Urban Meyer
Honorable Mention: Saban
Lotta people really like ***.
**** the censors. C.U.M.
Can you please explain number 5?
Amazing that we can't say d.i.c.k. or c.u.m. -- it so limits my vocabulary.
Is my clear top 4. After that there´re a bunch of guys you can make arguments for.
My criteria is measured purely based on "how much better is the program now than when they got there". Some guys like Harbaugh receive some votes, but I think he inherited a lot more talent at both Stanford and Michigan than these guys did when the took over their programs. These guys are in the discussion though for sure.
You are really going to say harbaugh took over a good situation when stanford was 1-11 before he got there? I agree that Michigan had talent but stanford was a tough situation.
There is so much pressure at the big jobs, just look at how usc, florida, Texas and Michigan have struggled lately. Just because there is talent on the rostwr doesn't mean it is easy to win.
Good call on Cutcliffe. He's done a hell of a good job at Duke.
I say that because they were recruiting in the 40's to very low 50's for sometime before he got there, and he had upperclassmen and decent talent. That roster was not great, but it was not 1-11 bad. Sarkisian had even a better situation at UW as his predecessor had recruited well. Not as good as what Neuheisel gifted Mora, but pretty good.
He took them from 1-11 to to 4-8 (including two 1 point wins), 5-7, and 8-5 in three years. That last year is when he was able to show they were turning the corner and brought in a better class than the guys before him.
I said he's in the conversation, but what he did was partially due to Luck (Andrew) and the rest solid coaching. The other guys had it tougher.
College football success is so driven by having an exceptional quarterback. So I think when evaluating coaches it's important to look at whether a coach is able to maintain greatness when he's got issues at that position. Also, to avoid overrating a coach because he had a great run with a supreme talent behind center and there isn't much else on the resume. On that note, the biggest omission from my list was Les Miles.
You could also argue the continued issues at QB is the biggest strike against Miles in terms of being an elite coach.
Especially considering he has an offensive background. If he was a defensive coach he might get a slide but he has recruited high level QB's that have underperformed.
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