It sounds like no-one else was injured. Let's hope that remains true.
Yeah - but that guy (Charles Whitman) killed 13 people from the clocktower using a high-powered sniper rifle after killing his wife and mother. Thank GOD that didn't happen here. Police response (campus and city) has been excellent so far and it appears as if the university had its $**t together in getting the word out for students to stay home and locking down the campus in a timely manner so SWAT can/could search for the possible second suspect w/o innocents walking around.Terrible, it reminds me of that lunatic that was on top of that tower with a rifle at UT back in the 60's.
I'm just shocked that the guy brought a gun on campus. I'm pretty sure that isn't allowed there. How did he do it?
this will fire up the carry on campus debate. which is interesting, except it leaves most frosh and sophs (age-wise, in most states) unable to defend themselves and, as the logic goes, that the prof/teacher will carry and act as deterrent....which as one (prof), i don't think is a good idea. all that does is paint a target on you in front of the class. first thing a crazy is gonna do is shoot the teacher. it's my job to teach, not take a bullet for the other 35 people in the room.
and if so, my health insurance better be a helluva lot better and i better make a lot more cheese.
Yeah - but that guy (Charles Whitman) killed 13 people from the clocktower using a high-powered sniper rifle after killing his wife and mother. Thank GOD that didn't happen here. Police response (campus and city) has been excellent so far and it appears as if the university had its $**t together in getting the word out for students to stay home and locking down the campus in a timely manner so SWAT can/could search for the possible second suspect w/o innocents walking around.
Oh - latest update - lockdown has been lifted. Movement about campus now.
Just allowing CC on campus doesn't mean the teachers are responsible for doing it. No one has to, but CCW holders who want to, can. It isn't a measure so that everyone on campus in every classroom is safe because at least someone is carrying. It would make a potential shooter second guess whether they want to do it or not, knowing that anyone they come across could be carrying as well.
Whitman missed my neighbor, a UT student, by 3 ft.
Just allowing CC on campus doesn't mean the teachers are responsible for doing it. No one has to, but CCW holders who want to, can. It isn't a measure so that everyone on campus in every classroom is safe because at least someone is carrying. It would make a potential shooter second guess whether they want to do it or not, knowing that anyone they come across could be carrying as well.
i understand the logic. my point is that a class full frosh and sophs who are not old enough to carry....it is both assumed and argued by supporters that the teacher carries. this is not a responsibility anyone should be forced to assume (especially when it's the completion of a larger political perspective looking for fulfillment in these kind of situations). it's an incomplete policy. again, my job is to teach....not to be the "point man" in a deterrent policy. whether i carry or not, is a choice i should be allowed to make....not a social or political compulsion.
I've never heard anyone say that any person should be forced to carry.
OK, compulsion is a better phrase....but, it remains a crucial part of the argument that *at least* the teacher "might" be carrying. if i'm the only person in a class who is old enough to carry:
1. i am the target. what used to be a random shooting, is now a motivated shooting with the teacher as the first target.
2. if i'm not carrying, and there is a shooting, it's post facto my fault in the eyes of John Q. Public. from a career standpoint, i'd wager one's career would end....based entirely in factors unrelated to professional qualification. and personally, if i'm the only one who can carry, this is a social compulsion to "protect" when that in no way is part of one's training or responsibility as a college teacher--and is certainly not a responsibility for which one would receive remuneration. one would feel "obligated" by forces beyond one's individual choice to assume an armed posture in a classroom. i consider that a fairly strong compulsion.....but, there's nothing in it for me except an exponentially heightened risk of being shot and killed, right out the crazy box.
frankly, i'd rather take my chances with no guns on campus and the occasional incident than a bunch of 21 year olds carrying for kicks. because, there would be a lot of those.
Just allowing CC on campus doesn't mean the teachers are responsible for doing it. No one has to, but CCW holders who want to, can. It isn't a measure so that everyone on campus in every classroom is safe because at least someone is carrying. It would make a potential shooter second guess whether they want to do it or not, knowing that anyone they come across could be carrying as well.
I believe in most cases the potential shooter expects his own life will end that day anyhow.
Buffario: you aren't reading very carefully. i get you are a guns rights guy. as i said before, to you, this is the completion of a larger political perspective. my points are you are creating a policy that dramatically *increases* the likelihood of two populations to be the targets. students under 21, teachers. what you propose is an incomplete solution. it may seem elegant as a completion of current 2nd Amendment concerns of yours, but it's not adequate as a solution to *this* issue to simply arm (half of) the campus.
um, the CCW point is moot in this circumstance...he was carrying a **** ing AK people. an AK!
I am just saying that no gun control / campus ban will stop a psycho who wants to come on to campus and start shooting up the place.
I am just saying that no gun control / campus ban will stop a psycho who wants to come on to campus and start shooting up the place.
um, the CCW point is moot in this circumstance...he was carrying a **** ing AK people. an AK!
He'd have to say it was a good day.....
which it was, as he got offed and nobody else got hurt, right?