I was pretty surprised to see the disagreement so publicly aired.
Hawkins is on a sinking ship, and I don't blame Hagan, Cabral, etc. if they don't intend to go down with it.
Well yeah. Our downhill backs, Sumler and Scott both took off along with a promising fullback in cobra kai. What I'm saying is that I don't see any evidence that Hagan has been a good RB coach, he's driven off guys that we need (or failed to keep them), and he spouts off to the media in a manner that disrupts the stability of the team.
Like Skid posted earlier it is not all on Hagan. You can't run if you can't block. End of story. I don't think Hagan ran off Sumler and I'm sick and ****ing tire of hearing about an undersized lineman that would have made our sack taking exploits seem minor if he had stayed at the position.
How can we know what he brings to th table if the unit he coaches is so deeply affected by other units lack of ability or coaching. As far as the spouting off goes he does need to control that. But I also have no problem with what he said this time. He is just as tired of losing as we are and he showed some emotion here. He is at every practice and watches the bull**** going on and he doesn't like or agree with it. What Kiesau said speaks to Hagans point. He basically said this is the first time in 5 years I've seen any improvement. I'm glad to see at least Hagan has a pulse.So what does Hagan bring to the table then? I pointed out that he's run guys off/failed to keep guys that he needs to develop this 'power running game' (fullback and power backs), hasn't developed players he's had, and spouts off to the media in an unprofessional manner.
So what does Hagan bring to the table then? I pointed out that he's run guys off/failed to keep guys that he needs to develop this 'power running game' (fullback and power backs), hasn't developed players he's had, and spouts off to the media in an unprofessional manner.
1) A tangible link to the program's glorious past. This matters to former players, fans and recruits.
2) Hagan is a tenacious recruiter who can get players that other coaches might not be able to reach.
3) Passion.
4) No one else on the staff has a mNC ring. (although Cabral has an SB ring)
that probably reported a tenth of what was actually said and then way over react
You guys read an article by a, lets say, not exactly Pulitzer Prize writer, that probably reported a tenth of what was actually said and then way over react. Come on people! Chill out! There is no controversy here. This is just another example of people trying to invent reasons to rip Hawkins and the staff. :smile2:
"Nowadays, everybody has gone away from all that physicality stuff," Hagan said. "Everybody is chucking the ball all around the field. I don`t want to be a team, and hopefully we won`t be a team, that is going to chuck it all around the field, at least that`s not what we`re talking about doing.
"But that`s why as a coach it`s my job, if you`re not doing those types of things, to mentally challenge them and incorporate it into your drills. That`s what I`m doing."
"I have no idea," Hagan said when asked why. "I`ve said that plenty of times. I don`t know why we don`t do them. We`re doing a little inside work, but we`re not doing the full-scale, get after it. I don`t know. That`s something, like I said, I`ve mentioned it and I think we should do."
"I just think right now it`s not a drill we need to emphasize," Kiesau said. "We only have X amount of time and X amount of practices and if we take 10 minutes to do that, we could be doing something else that could make us a little better, I think. I`m not saying it`s a bad drill. It`s a great drill, but it would have been better last year. This year, I don`t really think we need to go there."
Asked why the team didn`t use it last season if it should have, Kiesau said, "Because we were trying to instill a running game that," he stopped. "I just don`t like it. I`m just going to go there. I just don`t like the drill. Just a personal opinion."
1) A tangible link to the program's glorious past. This matters to former players, fans and recruits.
2) Hagan is a tenacious recruiter who can get players that other coaches might not be able to reach.
3) Passion.
4) No one else on the staff has a mNC ring. (although Cabral has an SB ring)
You guys read an article by a, lets say, not exactly Pulitzer Prize writer, that probably reported a tenth of what was actually said and then way over react. Come on people! Chill out! There is no controversy here. This is just another example of people trying to invent reasons to rip Hawkins and the staff. :smile2:
DBT, seriously. You can read all the comments in this thread that just as equally, if not moreso, seem to point the problem with Hagan not Hawkins, so you can't roll out that excuse in this example.
Since Hagan has been the RB coach we have seen little/no development of the RB talent in the program. The skills and knowledge to play the position well are not getting infused into our RBs and it shows. Yes the Oline needs to get better yada yada yada, but you can't say that our RBs are only getting held back because of the lineplay. Hagan is a great buff but I don't think he's a good coach.
Darrell Scott is the example that comes immediately to mind as Hagan's biggest failure as a coach. He may not be able to recover from the stigma of recruiting and losing this 5-star. But Scott is not the whole picture.
In the end it doesn't really matter. Unless Bohn's next hire is someone associated with the 1990 era teams, I think the chances of any of the current coaches returning next year are pretty slim.
In the end it doesn't really matter. Unless Bohn's next hire is someone associated with the 1990 era teams, I think the chances of any of the current coaches returning next year are pretty slim.
i know if it were me (as a new CU HC coming from somewhere else), i'd clean house. Cabral is certainly one of the best, but if I'm the new guy....I want a clean break and a new start. might be the best for everyone involved. i'm not in favor of a "back to 1990" hire just for the sake of it. we get the best guy available....not a nostalgia hire.
I'm not saying Hagan is worthy of any GOAT talk. But's let's give credit where credit is due. Hugh Charles really toughened up and was progressively better from sophmore to senior years. Rodney Stewart has been the best player for the job. Speedy is a credit to Hagan. Sumler is a mixed bag. On one hand, his blocking technique was good enough to earn him significant playing time. On the other hand, he left the team.
Darrell Scott is the example that comes immediately to mind as Hagan's biggest failure as a coach. He may not be able to recover from the stigma of recruiting and losing this 5-star. But Scott is not the whole picture.