[*]Through 2009, the Longhorns under Brown were 26-13 against their four archrivals: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Texas Tech.
Good one! Very funny and original.Mack doesn't read this site, so these posts aren't going to be able to convince him to let you suck his dick.
Mack Brown Numbers
One National Championship and One Runner Up
Record = 115-26 (.816 winning %)
Big 12 Record = 72-16 (.818 winning %)
10-Win seasons = 8
Bowl Wins = 8
Top 25 finishes = 11
Top 10 finishes = 6
Brown is in the ball park of .500 with OU. I think, plus or minus, probalby plus. I'd have to look it up. Look, if you're just going to discout any win no matter what, you can play that game with any coach or team or athelete in any sport. Good grief. Look at his record against top 25 opponents if that stat doesn't make you happy.funny stat. what is Mack, .500 against OU? less? ATM has been mediocre his entire tenure at UT, Arkansas too. Tech? UT's "arch-rival"?
Brown is in the ball park of .500 with OU. I think, plus or minus, probalby plus. I'd have to look it up. Look, if you're just going to discout any win no matter what, you can play that game with any coach or team or athelete in any sport. Good grief. Look at his record against top 25 opponents if that stat doesn't make you happy.
If, if, if, if.....if the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady, if the Bulls didn't have Jordan, if the Colts didn't have Manning, if the Laker's didn't have Kobe, if Bama didn't have Ingram last year, if Colt wouldn't have been knocked out in the first five minutes, if florida didn't have tebow, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,If it weren't for Radio you guys wouldn't have won a MNC under Brown. You put him on USC or OSU that year and those teams win the MNC, if not many more teams. He was that good.
Mack ranks lower for me because he is too loyal to Greg Davis (same with Richt at UGA) and his coaching tree isn't that great. Stop playing a SWC OOC schedule and we'll start talking. Tressel loads up on Ohio cupcakes, but they regularly play a traditionally strong BCS opponent, even if they aren't strong when they come to town.
Stoops isn't afraid of playing great teams OOC either. Same with Richt. Same with 'Bama and the same with a lot of other places. Hell, Florida plays FSU every year OOC.
I like how Bebe wants the Mack-10 to start scheduling tough teams. It's for no other purpose of helping the SoS problems Texas is going to face, being that he's UT's mouthpiece. It'll be interesting to see if Texas changes their policy.
Are you saying that's bad? Stoops is a great coach too and OU is a great program. I'll take .500 agaisnt OU. They're typically ranked in the top 5.6-7 against OU. 5-7 against Stoops; 1-0 against Boo Blake. i looked it up out of curiousity.
Are you saying that's bad? Stoops is a great coach too and OU is a great program. I'll take .500 agaisnt OU. They're typically ranked in the top 5.
If, if, if, if.....if the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady, if the Bulls didn't have Jordan, if the Colts didn't have Manning, if the Laker's didn't have Kobe, if Bama didn't have Ingram last year, if Colt wouldn't have been knocked out in the first five minutes, if florida didn't have tebow, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,
for the record the UT national champ team put almost every starter on both sides of the ball in the NFL...about the same for SC
lastly, we did have Vince...mack recruited him...that's what head coaches do
I hear what you're saying, but I think you need more data. People are overreacting to one bad season after a VERY long and unbroken run of phenominal success...and it should be clear that Texas was sucking for about 15 years before Brown came in.Mack Brown also made North Carolina the only real ACC threat to Florida State back in the day. He's a heck of a football coach. I think the "head coach in waiting" thing is starting to take its toll on his organization, though. People need to know who their boss is and not worry about the next boss. Having Colt as an upperclassmen the last 2 seasons covered some of the underlying problems that were creeping in, I think. Not that Texas has been bad (by any stretch), but the questions are starting about which coach the players actually committed to, whether Muschamp is even going to stick around until Brown retires, and whether the UT powers that be are still 100% sold on Muschamp with the way his defense has played at times this season.
Anyway, staying on topic for this thread, I still say Mack is an elite, elite coach. The current situation is reminding me of the end of Bowden's tenure at Florida State, though. Except that Mack is still only 59 years old.
What?!?! Did you not see the stats? He's practically won everything. His stats are amazing. He has done wonders with the talent he has. There are about 10 schools, at least, with equal talent as Texas and Texas has outperformed nearly all of them.Mack is possibly the best recruiter in football. What he does with that talent puts him outside of the top 10 coaches. He has had equal talent to USC and probably better than OU, meaning to me he rarely has an excuse for not being in a BCS game let alone the MNC.
I think you're nitpicking, but that's just my opinion. The point of the stat is just simply that he's got a good record agaisnt the "teams that matter" when it comes to rivalires. That's a big deal in college football. Lots of good coaches with decent overall records get run out of town for not having good records against their main/historic rivals.no, i'm just saying that "arch-rivals" stat has a lot of padding with the addition of Tech and Arkansas (who hasn't been in the same conference as UT in 15 years). over half the losses are to OU....so statistical relevance seems more strategic than persuasive.
I think you're nitpicking, but that's just my opinion. The point of the stat is just simply that he's got a good record agaisnt the "teams that matter" when it comes to rivalires. That's a big deal in college football. Lots of good coaches with decent overall records get run out of town for not having good records against their main/historic rivals.
If you're honest with yourself you'll admit that you're just picking the one thing, the only stat, that is not terribly impressive. If Brown had more B12 wins you would just look for someting else.The most telling statistic to me for Mack Brown is that he only has 2 Big 12 championships? That's pretty average considering how much Texas has going for it. Mack is a hell of a program builder and recruiter, probably the best, but I won't give it to him over Saban or someone like that as an overall coach. The Big 12 has been pretty ****ty the last 10 years or so, Colorado has been awful, Nebraska has sucked, A&M has been crap. That's pretty much all of the historically good teams in the B12 aside from OU and UT. If Mack beats Oklahoma in any given year, he has no excuse for not winning B12 championships.
Let go of the stat. Forget it. Look at the other 20 stats instead.i don't think it's nitpicking but rather an accurate interpretation of a padded stat. UT's legit arch-rivals are ATM and OU. Arkansas hasn't played UT regularly in 15 years (at least) and never (regularly) in the Brown era...i don't see those W's as particularly meaningful. Tech is not one of UT's "arch-rivals" of the order of ATM or OU. Ark and Tech are added to pad the stats. they are clearly not on the level of OU or ATM as a rival. ask any (other) horn fan. the stat asks the reader to assume all 4 teams are equal in the category of "archrival" when clearly they are not.
6. Pelini (it really, REALLY hurts to admit this)
If you're honest with yourself you'll admit that you're just picking the one thing, the only stat, that is not terribly impressive. If Brown had more B12 wins you would just look for someting else.
I think Mack is a good coach. I also think Horn wants to suck him off. Anyone think I am wrong?