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Calling for coaches to be fired

What stands out to me as the biggest indictment of Lindgren is the predictability of his playcalling. He has a few plays that he will call on each down/situation. His job is to put the players in a place to succeed. As good teams adjust, he needs to also adjust his range of calls to keep defenses off balance.

I know this gets lost, but it is the coaches who get paid. The players (by and large) aren't getting the big bucks. This is not the players' full time job. Agree that players make mistakes, but the coaches are there to ensure that those mistakes don't become patterns. Lindgren isn't showing progress on this front.
 
I love how some people know the offensive coordinator position so well that they can offer up their expertise in all aspects of the job.
 
TSchekler said:
This is the biggest cop out for the players. At this level, WRs are expected to be able to catch the ball, RBs are expected to hold onto the ball, QBs are expected to be able to throw the ball with some semblance of accuracy, etc etc. At some point, players have the make the plays.
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Can I double like? Especially when it’s our star receivers (RB) who crushed it last year are dropping balls, short arming catches leading to picks, etc. Blame the coach all you want, but I think last year’s success and this year’s hype have made the players soft.
 
DrunkPanda said:
That's not even close to what I said. I said we should run more plays that use them as the first read to exploit bad matchups and avoid the best corners on the other team if they are shutting down fields or hobo. That almost never happens.

But I guess you think averaging 40 yards a game against mainly bottom level competition (everyone besides Washington) is a lot
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:ROFLMAO:
Fields or “Hobo”
 
lvbuff said:
I love how some people know the offensive coordinator position so well that they can offer up their expertise in all aspects of the job.
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Not a complete expert on OC Job Description and Execution, but if we all add up the amount of Football we have all watched. i.e. Offense is on the field about 48% of the time, and the average college football and NFL Games last about 3:25 on the low side, that is about 90 minutes (round numbers) x 3 games per weekend (low side for average fans) = 270 minutes x 12-16 weeks per year = 3,240 minutes x 28 years for me = 90,720 total minutes (1,512 hours)

With all that in mind, Lindgren is pretty much the worst playcaller I have seen, considering the skill talent and the QB's that he has had. I do not think he is a bad guy, I just do not feel that he is up to the level of the challenge that he is at for the Division 1 level. Mac chose to roll the dice and hire someone that was close to his level and is a long time top assistant in Leavitt, and it elevated the level of that unit dramatically beyond what Baer could do because he just was not at that level. (Baer's UNLV Defense is terrible again this year?) The same thing is true right now for the offense. I may actually agree that Coach Chiv is maybe not up to the task, but since we are in the middle of a season, he would be our only other chance to see something fresher. Should we look at going out and hiring a stud OC and pay for something special, my answer is see what Chiv can do, and then open up the checkbook!
 
If a novice like me who watches 20-25 games a week finds Lindgren's playcalling to be predictable, imagine what expert defensive minds find out in their film prep!

lvbuff said:
I love how some people know the offensive coordinator position so well that they can offer up their expertise in all aspects of the job.
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4BienemyTDs said:
Not a complete expert on OC Job Description and Execution, but if we all add up the amount of Football we have all watched. i.e. Offense is on the field about 48% of the time, and the average college football and NFL Games last about 3:25 on the low side, that is about 90 minutes (round numbers) x 3 games per weekend (low side for average fans) = 270 minutes x 12-16 weeks per year = 3,240 minutes x 28 years for me = 90,720 total minutes (1,512 hours)

With all that in mind, Lindgren is pretty much the worst playcaller I have seen, considering the skill talent and the QB's that he has had. I do not think he is a bad guy, I just do not feel that he is up to the level of the challenge that he is at for the Division 1 level. Mac chose to roll the dice and hire someone that was close to his level and is a long time top assistant in Leavitt, and it elevated the level of that unit dramatically beyond what Baer could do because he just was not at that level. (Baer's UNLV Defense is terrible again this year?) The same thing is true right now for the offense. I may actually agree that Coach Chiv is maybe not up to the task, but since we are in the middle of a season, he would be our only other chance to see something fresher. Should we look at going out and hiring a stud OC and pay for something special, my answer is see what Chiv can do, and then open up the checkbook!
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I'm happy to know that you are an expert because you watch a lot of TV. My neighbor who is dead now watched the weather channel all day every day. He did not become a meteorologist.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Not a complete expert on OC Job Description and Execution, but if we all add up the amount of Football we have all watched. i.e. Offense is on the field about 48% of the time, and the average college football and NFL Games last about 3:25 on the low side, that is about 90 minutes (round numbers) x 3 games per weekend (low side for average fans) = 270 minutes x 12-16 weeks per year = 3,240 minutes x 28 years for me = 90,720 total minutes (1,512 hours)

With all that in mind, Lindgren is pretty much the worst playcaller I have seen, considering the skill talent and the QB's that he has had. I do not think he is a bad guy, I just do not feel that he is up to the level of the challenge that he is at for the Division 1 level. Mac chose to roll the dice and hire someone that was close to his level and is a long time top assistant in Leavitt, and it elevated the level of that unit dramatically beyond what Baer could do because he just was not at that level. (Baer's UNLV Defense is terrible again this year?) The same thing is true right now for the offense. I may actually agree that Coach Chiv is maybe not up to the task, but since we are in the middle of a season, he would be our only other chance to see something fresher. Should we look at going out and hiring a stud OC and pay for something special, my answer is see what Chiv can do, and then open up the checkbook!
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Just cause you spend most of your time in the missionary position doesn't make you a missionary.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Not a complete expert on OC Job Description and Execution, but if we all add up the amount of Football we have all watched. i.e. Offense is on the field about 48% of the time, and the average college football and NFL Games last about 3:25 on the low side, that is about 90 minutes (round numbers) x 3 games per weekend (low side for average fans) = 270 minutes x 12-16 weeks per year = 3,240 minutes x 28 years for me = 90,720 total minutes (1,512 hours)

With all that in mind, Lindgren is pretty much the worst playcaller I have seen, considering the skill talent and the QB's that he has had. I do not think he is a bad guy, I just do not feel that he is up to the level of the challenge that he is at for the Division 1 level. Mac chose to roll the dice and hire someone that was close to his level and is a long time top assistant in Leavitt, and it elevated the level of that unit dramatically beyond what Baer could do because he just was not at that level. (Baer's UNLV Defense is terrible again this year?) The same thing is true right now for the offense. I may actually agree that Coach Chiv is maybe not up to the task, but since we are in the middle of a season, he would be our only other chance to see something fresher. Should we look at going out and hiring a stud OC and pay for something special, my answer is see what Chiv can do, and then open up the checkbook!
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I watched a show on TV about "A Brief History of Time" on several occasions. I guess that makes me somewhat of an expert on quantum mechanics, gravity, and the String Theory. With that in mind, Einstein is pretty much the worst theoretical physicist I have seen.

LOL, my expertise is as close to Einstein's as yours is to Lindgren's.
 
Duff Man said:
Lindgren haters digging deep.
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It's dumb because they don't have to. If my dad who doesn't watch CU can predict a bunch of plays based solely off formation, and believe me we all can too, then it's safe to say he is predictable.

Duff, just admit you're wrong about Lindgren. He is, was, and always will be a bad OC. We are going to run the exact same **** this week because it's tbe exact same **** he ran last year. He doesn't adapt. He doesn't find or exploit any defensive weaknesses of our opponents, and he doesn't design an offense to fit the player's talents. He isn't good at it his job. Certainly not good enough to be at a program that we want to be a top 25 caliber team every year.
 
cu62nu36 said:
I watched a show on TV about "A Brief History of Time" on several occasions. I guess that makes me somewhat of an expert on quantum mechanics, gravity, and the String Theory. With that in mind, Einstein is pretty much the worst theoretical physicist I have seen.

LOL, my expertise is as close to Einstein's as yours is to Lindgren's.
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Hey, the President watches all the "Shows" and he learns and knows and does everything really really well, so I was just trying to be cynical about today's information age. Medford did a lot better job than I did explaining what I felt about Lindgren. Lindgren is Baer 2.0.
 
For those of you who say that the play calling is so predictable, I wonder if you're actually predicting plays before they happen on every down. Or if you just remember a few plays a game when you thought something as basic as "run or pass" and got your coin flip correct. And maybe it's only the ones where you guessed correctly and the play didn't work that stand out to you. And maybe you don't try to do that with any other OC, because there are norms in football for down/distance no matter who is calling plays, it's pretty easy to identify those norms, and they are norms for a reason -- you don't want your OC to normally be going against the norms (i.e., passing on 3rd and 1 or running on 3rd and 7).

The biggest thing I notice when watching games with other fans is how badly others react whenever an OC decides to run the ball... but only when it doesn't work.
 
I'm not one demanding Lindgren be fired immediately, but what exactly is an OC's job? Is he really just a game planner and play caller? I've seen a lot of people defend his lack of recruiting because "it's not really the OC's job to be out on the recruiting trail" or blaming others for the OL play - are those not part of his job? Have our QBs improved significantly during their time here? Not trying to be snarky, but what does Lindgren do really well? He just seems not terrible to me, which isn't a ringing endorsement.

OCs get fired when the offense fails to perform up to its talent level - is that not the case this year so far? Hopefully we see some real improvement over the year.
 
Medford M. said:
It's dumb because they don't have to. If my dad who doesn't watch CU can predict a bunch of plays based solely off formation, and believe me we all can too, then it's safe to say he is predictable.

Duff, just admit you're wrong about Lindgren. He is, was, and always will be a bad OC. We are going to run the exact same **** this week because it's tbe exact same **** he ran last year. He doesn't adapt. He doesn't find or exploit any defensive weaknesses of our opponents, and he doesn't design an offense to fit the player's talents. He isn't good at it his job. Certainly not good enough to be at a program that we want to be a top 25 caliber team every year.
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All I have ever said is that Lindgren looks like a competent P5 OC. I am not sure he will ever be great, but I have seen enough over his time at CU to say he does not completely suck. You and others keep bringing up crazy hyperbole about how bad he is and it is now just funny more than anything.

It's not like I would flip out if MM decided he was not the answer after this season, but I tend to think there are other coaches who need to be changed before Lindgren.
 
I just feel like he doesn't use certain plays to set up a play later in the series or even later in the game. Some plays you call just to see how the D responds so you can then adjust. Also seems like he always has our first drive planned pretty well then after that he is continually "searching" for what will work, instead of exploiting the D's weakness shown in previous games. I dont think he suks.
 
Duff Man said:
All I have ever said is that Lindgren looks like a competent P5 OC. I am not sure he will ever be great, but I have seen enough over his time at CU to say he does not completely suck. You and others keep bringing up crazy hyperbole about how bad he is and it is now just funny more than anything.

It's not like I would flip out if MM decided he was not the answer after this season, but I tend to think there are other coaches who need to be changed before Lindgren.
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This is where I'm at right now. He's struggling this year, although I wonder if it's scheme or something else.
 
Buffnik said:
For those of you who say that the play calling is so predictable, I wonder if you're actually predicting plays before they happen on every down. Or if you just remember a few plays a game when you thought something as basic as "run or pass" and got your coin flip correct. And maybe it's only the ones where you guessed correctly and the play didn't work that stand out to you. And maybe you don't try to do that with any other OC, because there are norms in football for down/distance no matter who is calling plays, it's pretty easy to identify those norms, and they are norms for a reason -- you don't want your OC to normally be going against the norms (i.e., passing on 3rd and 1 or running on 3rd and 7).

The biggest thing I notice when watching games with other fans is how badly others react whenever an OC decides to run the ball... but only when it doesn't work.
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I think it's a little bit of both. For example, when George Frazier motions out wide from the backfield that meant it was a quick screen out to one of the WRs. When Shay motioned into the backfield behind Lindsay and BB, that was a BB dive (only used on short yardage, too). When Lindsay does his "comet" (what we called it) motion out of the backfield, more often than not it's a quick pass out to him. In 2016, when it was 3rd or 4th and short or anywhere near the goal line, everybody in the stadium and watching on TV knew it was a power run with Sefo. Nobody really complained about that because it was damn hard to stop and the execution was great.

Those are just a few examples of predictability that I have noticed from watching this offense on TV or from the stands, and I'm not a paid professional on a P5 staff who spends countless hours watching film and picking up on situational/personnel grouping tendencies in playcalling. I've said this before, but everything they do on offense seems to be setting the defense up for something else... but then that something else is never called or executed. So yes, I think there is a level of predictability to the offense and playcalling specifically that warrants some criticism.
 
Darth Snow said:
This is where I'm at right now. He's struggling this year, although I wonder if it's scheme or something else.
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An inexperienced and mistake prone QB, along with a mix and match OL that was without its best player for 50% of games played so far is probably a good starting point.
 
Darth Snow said:
This is where I'm at right now. He's struggling this year, although I wonder if it's scheme or something else.
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There are a lot of issues. If a change needs to be made, okay... but that will not necessarily solve head-scratching issues, particularly in recruiting. Who is making decisions for certain positions? It cannot just be Lindgren running some sort of dictatorship on that side of the ball.
 
Duff Man said:
There are a lot of issues. If a change needs to be made, okay... but that will not necessarily solve head-scratching issues, particularly in recruiting. Who is making decisions for certain positions? It cannot just be Lindgren running some sort dictator on that side of the ball.
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Yup. Hell, you know he's not in charge cause he specifically got demoted to Co-OC. I think it's obvious that HCMM was hands off on the offense after last year. Wonder if that has recently changed.

Also, isn't it weird how certain positions just aren't valued on this team recruiting wise? HCMM lets things go in certain areas. Blind spots or things he knows of and accepts for reasons we don't know like coaching acumen?
 
Darth Snow said:
Yup. Hell, you know he's not in charge cause he specifically got demoted to Co-OC. I think it's obvious that HCMM was hands off on the offense after last year. Wonder if that has recently changed.

Also, isn't it weird how certain positions just aren't valued on this team recruiting wise? HCMM lets things go in certain areas. Blind spots or things he knows of and accepts for reasons we don't know like coaching acumen?
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I would love to hear MM talk about how he views the RB and TE positions without the typical coachspeak.
 
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