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Your final thoughts on 2018 recruiting class?

vinniew_11 said:
Jesus. You guys are so freaking bitter. This is a good class for the state of the program. You guys expect way too much. It’s great to have expectations, but most of AllBuffs think that this is still the buffs from the early 90s and we were still relevant to blue chip players. We aren’t, and may never be again.
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And delusional. Yeah right all we need to do is fire MM and hire in a magical new coach with name-brand twitter presence plus hawg1 analytics and voila, we're right there with the likes of USC. Don't we already have the magical coach in Chiv?

So, in large part MM's future and the 8 win tipping point for next season hinge largely on Chiv's performance as OC. A lot of pressure on Chiv. I hope he's up to it.

Of course, MM's jeopardy and the 8 win tipping point could just be figments of the Allbuff imagination and not based in reality.
 
Personally, I would settle for regular bowl bids, more wins than losses and the occasional run at a Conference title. The last 13 years of Buff football have been, well, aside from 2007 and 2016, embarrassing. A great many quality student/athletes have come through during that time, but the team has seriously under performed.
 
cu62nu36 said:
And delusional. Yeah right all we need to do is fire MM and hire in a magical new coach with name-brand twitter presence plus hawg1 analytics and voila, we're right there with the likes of USC. Don't we already have the magical coach in Chiv?

So, in large part MM's future and the 8 win tipping point for next season hinge largely on Chiv's performance as OC. A lot of pressure on Chiv. I hope he's up to it.

Of course, MM's jeopardy and the 8 win tipping point could just be figments of the Allbuff imagination and not based in reality.
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I always enjoy the posts calling out the "delusional" expectations of others and subsequently assigning expectations no one really has to those "delusional" people.

Because, you know, people would have to be out of their minds having any reservations about a coaching staff coming off a 2-7 season in a weak Pac-12.
 
vinniew_11 said:
Jesus. You guys are so freaking bitter. This is a good class for the state of the program. You guys expect way too much. It’s great to have expectations, but most of AllBuffs think that this is still the buffs from the early 90s and we were still relevant to blue chip players. We aren’t, and may never be again.
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What are your expectations for 2018?
 
Duff Man said:
I always enjoy the posts calling out the "delusional" expectations of others and subsequently assigning expectations no one really has to those "delusional" people.

Because, you know, people would have to be out of their minds having any reservations about a coaching staff coming off a 2-7 season in a weak Pac-12.
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I guess it's 2013 again.
 
Duff Man said:
I always enjoy the posts calling out the "delusional" expectations of others and subsequently assigning expectations no one really has to those "delusional" people.

Because, you know, people would have to be out of their minds having any reservations about a coaching staff coming off a 2-7 season in a weak Pac-12.
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And while that was disappointing, we were in every single game minus the two Washington games. Not like when games were over by the 2nd quarter . I feel you want to bend the narrative as far as you can.
 
MtnBuff said:
A big part of Wisconsin's success is in who their recruits are. Colorado and Wisconsin may have a similar class in numbers and rankings but our highest rated recruits are WRs and DBs, Wisconsin has a similar number of high 3* kids but their's are OL and DL. Their WRs are kids we wouldn't be interested in but their linemen are better prospects, and they aren't filling their class with Juco's.

Old football adage but almost always true. Games are won on the line of scrimmage, they recruit well where it matters.
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Let’s go Kwan! :whistle:
 
buffaholic said:
And while that was disappointing, we were in every single game minus the two Washington games. Not like when games were over by the 2nd quarter . I feel you want to bend the narrative as far as you can.
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Come on man. The “we were really competitive in all those games” defense ended after 2015. Having arbitrary expectations of “appreciable improvement” is complete bull**** at this point. A number absolutely has to be applied to setting expectations, and that number is 6 at an absolute minimum.
 
TSchekler said:
How is getting caught up in numbers kind of stupid? At what point can we hold a coaching staff accountable to producing results?
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Numbers can be bent to fit any narrative. As for a record number, it’s kind of stupid to speculate now. Because we dont know who’s even going to be on the field. We have zero idea how Chev is going to call a game. So it’s stupid to put a number on it. What I want to see is a team that is better in the field. A cut down of mental mistakes. A team that looks good and gelling on the field. Anyone can see with thier eyes that last years team wasn’t good. I want to be able to see that they are a better team, regardless of record. And of course I want as good of a record as possible, but I’m not hung up on a set number.
 
vinniew_11 said:
Numbers can be bent to fit any narrative. As for a record number, it’s kind of stupid to speculate now. Because we dont know who’s even going to be on the field. We have zero idea how Chev is going to call a game. So it’s stupid to put a number on it. What I want to see is a team that is better in the field. A cut down of mental mistakes. A team that looks good and gelling on the field. Anyone can see with thier eyes that last years team wasn’t good. I want to be able to see that they are a better team, regardless of record. And of course I want as good of a record as possible, but I’m not hung up on a set number.
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All of that is a great expectation baseline in year 2 or maybe year 3 of a rebuilding program. We are in year 6 with a 10 win season under our belts. Why have the expectations dipped back to 3-4 years ago? You seem content with another 5-7 season as long as you see some tangible improvement. That’s such a weak mindset 6 years into the process.
 
vinniew_11 said:
Numbers can be bent to fit any narrative. As for a record number, it’s kind of stupid to speculate now. Because we dont know who’s even going to be on the field. We have zero idea how Chev is going to call a game. So it’s stupid to put a number on it. What I want to see is a team that is better in the field. A cut down of mental mistakes. A team that looks good and gelling on the field. Anyone can see with thier eyes that last years team wasn’t good. I want to be able to see that they are a better team, regardless of record. And of course I want as good of a record as possible, but I’m not hung up on a set number.
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I know you aren't into numbers but let's say cu goes 5-7 again but the offense is better and you see better play overall on the field.

What would be your reaction to this result?
 
TSchekler said:
Come on man. The “we were really competitive in all those games” defense ended after 2015. Having arbitrary expectations of “appreciable improvement” is complete bull**** at this point. A number absolutely has to be applied to setting expectations, and that number is 6 at an absolute minimum.
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Ok. What was the real difference between 2-7 and 7-2 in conference?
 
buffaholic said:
Ok. What was the real difference between 2-7 and 7-2 in conference?
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5 conference games that ended in a loss rather than a win?

At what point do we finally get to say, “Close sucks” and judge the staff on actual W/L results rather than whether or not a few bad breaks was the difference?

Edit: I could maybe understand this argument if we were talking about making the jump from 8-9 wins to 10-12 wins each year, but we’re talking about being “close” from going from 5 wins to 7-8 wins. Is that really acceptable in year 6?
 
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Sykobuff said:
I know you aren't into numbers but let's say cu goes 5-7 again but the offense is better and you see better play overall on the field.

What would be your reaction to this result?
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Honestly, I'd be annoyed that we aren't actually getting anywhere. 5-7, as understandable as I am, isn't going to be okay under any circumstances. And to get to 5-7, the staff will be doing the same old in-game non-adjustments that make them smell like Fusker piss to the allBuffs community. Hopefully none of this happens.
 
DBT said:
What does that mean? Is it like “Statistics are for losers” or “it’s not whether you win or lose but how you play the game” or something?
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2017’s class was a .8521 average and 2018’s was a .8517

I know some of you think the 18’ class is an underwhelming turd but the fact and numbers show that 2018’s class is almost exactly in line with 2017 and it did that without Jake moretti’s high marks. 2017 overall had a some more top rated talent while 2018 was overall better rated across the board.

2017 had 1 unrated and 6 kids rated under 82

2018 had 2.

I won’t get into the juco/under recruits positions, I agree that’s a huge issue.
 
buffaholic said:
And while that was disappointing, we were in every single game minus the two Washington games. Not like when games were over by the 2nd quarter . I feel you want to bend the narrative as far as you can.
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Bend what narrative? We finished 5-7 and 2-7 in conference.

The inability to discuss objective numbers suddenly makes all those posts about "delusional" posters much clearer.
 
Whether some of you want to believe it or not this is a make or break year for MM. You can see that the staff knows this in the way that they have tried to go after Jucos and Grad Transfers to fill the gaps. Going 6-6 in 2018 will not cut it. As others have said it's year six so lets see some tangible improvement and consistent play. If the 2018 squad plays up to their abilities then this can and will be a successful season.
 
MtnBuff said:
A big part of Wisconsin's success is in who their recruits are. Colorado and Wisconsin may have a similar class in numbers and rankings but our highest rated recruits are WRs and DBs, Wisconsin has a similar number of high 3* kids but their's are OL and DL. Their WRs are kids we wouldn't be interested in but their linemen are better prospects, and they aren't filling their class with Juco's.

Old football adage but almost always true. Games are won on the line of scrimmage, they recruit well where it matters.
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Wish I could like this more than once. Colorado won in the late 80's-early 90's (to my understanding as I was not yet alive in the early 90's) because they built a team with size in the trenches and speed in skill positions. MM and company are currently adding speed that we haven't had recently and have added some pieces. I know this class is a lot different if Walker Culver doesn't punk out on his commitment, but overall CU needs to continue to focus on the trenches and with adding high end speed/athleticism. The new recruiting class seems to be on that direct path.
 
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