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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
- Thread starter InTheBuff
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F*CK THOSE GRAVY COVERED POPCORN CHICKEN LOOKING M**********
MERGE SO WE CAN TIP THEM IN THEIR TRAILER PARK OUTHOUSES DURING THEIR MIDNIGHT P*** AFTER CRUSHING THEM ON THE FIELD
YOU’RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT HANK
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Something other than join the Big 12.
ahoelsken
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What's that something? Like give me a viable option for them. I'll wait.
On media markets + boosters $ + brand, the 4 most valuable programs in the Pac-10 are Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. They're each more valuable than any Big 12 member.
Why on earth would CU hurry to run to the Big 12 with UA, ASU and Utah (when each of that group of 4 is more valuable than just about anyone in the Big 12) before we've all given Kliatkoff a chance to put a plan on the table?
Thisuniversityisf’ed!
Well-Known Member
This I can agree with. But I’m still nervous about us hanging around and getting f’ed further than we already are. But I suppose the B12 will take us anytime.
Medford M.
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Youre looking at it from a fans "where would I rather travel" perspective, which most on here did when we moved to the Pac. Unfortunately for us, whether a place is cool to visit doesn't drive ratings or money. The Big XII lost teams and poof, somehow more profitable than the Pac.
I'm taking the top conference there because it's better athletics will drive money. Blah blah media markets, etc. The west coast doesn't give a **** about college sports. The Midwest and South? That's going to draw eyes because there isn't **** all to do in a cold Saturday afternoon/evening except stay in and watch football and get drunk.
Vic Victory
Well-Known Member
No chance they end up in the B12. Same goes for Stanford. Not happening. They can join whenever they want but they’ll never want to.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
No one watches Stanford or Cal. Literally no one.
They care about football, though. CU could use a conference that is more concerned w that than Olympic sports and academics
That’s not an answer and basically you’re saying we should bend over and take it from Oregon and UW because we are trying to leave too? Ok?
I don’t think we will know for a month
1. I don't see the Big 12 as an improvement.
2. The Big 12 members will **** us the first chance they get.
3. I don't want CU to do anything that remotely benefits those assholes.
I don't understand the logic in jumping to the Big 12 before you explore your options with respect to a renegotiated TV deal and/or ACC alliance. It behooves every team in the PAC (at least those schools that have viable alternatives), to understand the landscape and maximize their negotiation leverage. Honestly, the only schools that should be ****ting bricks right now are OSU and WSU.
The thought that this is a ****ing emergency, that must be dealt with immediately, is insane. Nobody remaining is USC or UCLA, and the Big 12 isn't offering B1G cash. Hell, they may not even be offering PAC cash.
Do your due dilligence, and make your move ONLY if/when you have the data to support a move. I'd bet USC and UCLA spent the better part of 6 months analyzing the pros and cons before making the decision. If you want to make a decision like this in a week, you're making a ****ty decision.
The thought that this is a ****ing emergency, that must be dealt with immediately, is insane. Nobody remaining is USC or UCLA, and the Big 12 isn't offering B1G cash. Hell, they may not even be offering PAC cash.
Do your due dilligence, and make your move ONLY if/when you have the data to support a move. I'd bet USC and UCLA spent the better part of 6 months analyzing the pros and cons before making the decision. If you want to make a decision like this in a week, you're making a ****ty decision.
Vic Victory
Well-Known Member
Exactly. Why play a weak hand when you can wait it out for a stronger one.
The difference is that Oregon and UW have the brands to actually **** is over and move to the B1G or SEC. None of the Big 12 programs do, so they aren’t going anywhere. If GK doesn’t come through with something big, CU risks dropping to true G5 level when UO and UW eventually leave.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Three things:
1. If the four corners schools take Big 12 invites tonight, what choice do Oregon and Washington have but to join?
2. Why does Pac 12 leadership deserve that opportunity? They were clearly oblivious to USC's issues with the conference, and Kliavkoff's alliance with the Big 10 and ACC (which never actually made it to paper) was such a smashing success. Let's also keep in mind that the Pac 10's new TV contract will likely involve one bidder. FOX has already passed, and I've seen no sign that CBS, Turner, or any major streaming platforms are even interested.
3. If one of the two super leagues offers Oregon/Washington even a 60% share of revenue, they're probably doubling what they'd likely get if they stayed in the Pac 10 and gone anyway. Its time for CU to do what's best for CU. The answer to that is easy.
TallBuff
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As passions cool I think I'm with Nik on this stuff. The Big XII was, is, and will forever be a revolving door of middling programs with no B1G or SEC options. The remaining PAC has a solid western anchor that has no other option but to survive and thrive. Add some schools, maintain the footprint, and most importantly rekindle the winning tradition that we all know is dormant in the CU football program somewhere. It doesn't matter where we are so long as we win, and I would rather excel in a re-invigorated PAC than in a generic conference of scraps that is the Big XII.
Barring an aggressive move from the SEC, Oregon and Washington are probably going to stay put for a couple of years. Let's say they do decide to join the Big Ten in a couple of years.
I cannot imagine that CU's bargaining position could possibly be any weaker than it is at this very moment. If and when Oregon and UW leave, I would expect there will be a wave of realignment.
You're assuming that the Big 12 option would close and that no new options develop.
I'm not worried about CU finding the best non B1G/SEC landing spot and being in the conversation for the big boy table in the next round of realignment.
Has there been no leak or news from the regents meeting?
I’m fine with waiting things out and weighing options. But a Pac 10 conference as things currently stand will be $250-$300m so I don’t think that’s viable. It will require expansion or contractual collaboration with the ACC for pooled revenue share, which will only make sense if they can get more than $50m/school as it’s likely locking us in for the next decade.
B12 gave us 30 days to respond if the tweet I saw is accurate. We should use all of it.
72grad
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Maybe the band will go on the field at the last moment
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Why? We left the conference in the first place because of a school who is on its way to the SEC. Just be honest with us Hanky-you want your wine and cheese more than you want to see successful football in Boulder.
That goes for all of you who are trying to argue for staying in the Pac 10.
I mostly believe it when the B1G says it has no intention of expanding further at this time unless it's to get Notre Dame. ND has 2 years on its NBC deal and its GoR contract says that the only conference it can join for football is the ACC until 2036.
The only way the B1G expands soon is if the SEC forces its hand by making a play for a group of the 8 valuable Pac-10 properties & they need to block/get the schools they want.
Dude. The Big 12 took UCF.
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Nebraska were mostly responsible for blowing up the Big 12. We left a conference that was imploding. The Texas schools ruined that conference. I want nothing to do with those bastards.
And trump