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2023-24 Coaching Carousel (Fitzgerald out, DC Braun interim at Northwestern)

The dominoes could be insane. Alabama. Which could mean Oregon or another big opening. Michigan potentially. Arizona maybe. Others who I think would bolt if the NFL called like Chip and Lincoln. I think that between the NFL coaching changes and the major shakeup with college HCs of major programs, January is going to see a ton of great coaches (recruiting staffers through NFL HCs) who were employed in December.

And on the recruiting front, it's also gonna be wild because a change in HC is an exit clause for every recruit those programs signed to a NLI in December.

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Buffnik said:
The guy who would make the most sense to me is DeMeco Ryans. But while I think fans and recruits would love that, my guess is that there will be a booster war chest that demands someone like Lanning.
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I can connect the dots, but why the **** would Demeco leave the Texans?!?!
 
Buffnik said:
The dominoes could be insane. Alabama. Which could mean Oregon or another big opening. Michigan potentially. Arizona maybe. Others who I think would bolt if the NFL called like Chip and Lincoln. I think that between the NFL coaching changes and the major shakeup with college HCs of major programs, January is going to see a ton of great coaches (recruiting staffers through NFL HCs) who were employed in December.

And on the recruiting front, it's also gonna be wild because a change in HC is an exit clause for every recruit those programs signed to a NLI in December.

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There is no reason for a DeMeco Ryans to leave the NFL. The money will be roughly comparable and a college job carries a lot more BS. Lanning makes a great deal of sense and Oregon has been poached a number of times right when they think they are close. The 2007 Independence Bowl was a turning point for CU and Alabama, there is some irony in the hope for CU coming when Saban is leaving.
 
After Saban left LSU, they hired Les Miles. LSU has been solid for awhile and still a destination hire.

After Saban left MSU, they went through three coaches before getting to Mark Daniito.

Could go either way with Alabama.
 
PAC MAN said:
After Saban left LSU, they hired Les Miles. LSU has been solid for awhile and still a destination hire.

After Saban left MSU, they went through three coaches before getting to Mark Daniito.

Could go either way with Alabama.
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MSU wasn't and isn't a good job. I believe that Saban is their only coach to ever have a winning record his 1st 3 years on the job.
 
Buffnik said:
MSU wasn't and isn't a good job. I believe that Saban is their only coach to ever have a winning record his 1st 3 years on the job.
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I don't think it's a great job, but it's an upper tier B1G job with the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa and maybe Nebraska. Fan support is there with expectations in line with reality. Pays a lot. Solid local recruiting base, but obviously competing with tOSU and UM. Clear admin and booster support.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I don't think it's a great job, but it's an upper tier B1G job with the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa and maybe Nebraska. Fan support is there with expectations in line with reality. Pays a lot. Solid local recruiting base, but obviously competing with tOSU and UM. Clear admin and booster support.
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Money aside, I think of coaching jobs on where it falls on the balance of resources vs expectations. When I believe that the expectations exceed the resources, I don't consider it a good job. On that note and within the B1G, I'd consider Iowa one of the best jobs because things are aligned while also the 2 factors being high.
 
Buffnik said:
Money aside, I think of coaching jobs on where it falls on the balance of resources vs expectations. When I believe that the expectations exceed the resources, I don't consider it a good job. On that note and within the B1G, I'd consider Iowa one of the best jobs because things are aligned while also the 2 factors being high.
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I can agree with that, but do you think MSU's expectations exceed their resources? I feel like their resources almost outpace their expectations
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I can agree with that, but do you think MSU's expectations exceed their resources? I feel like their resources almost outpace their expectations
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I think the expectation is to be on par with Penn State, win a good share against UM & OSU even if it's under 50%, win 9+ games more often than not, and win the B1G more often than they have a losing season. All that despite being #2 in their own state and not having the recruiting location positives of a UCLA type program.
 
Buffnik said:
I think the expectation is to be on par with Penn State, win a good share against UM & OSU even if it's under 50%, win 9+ games more often than not, and win the B1G more often than they have a losing season. All that despite being #2 in their own state and not having the recruiting location positives of a UCLA type program.
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They're going through different times right now due to Tucker flaming out after a good season, but they are on par with Penn State in the modern era, they have essentially split the series with Michigan over the past 15 years (MSU actually has an edge over that time) and they've won the B1G 3 times since 2007 with only 3 losing seasons (not including COVID season), two of which came under Tucker.

Basically, I don't think the expectations you laid out are out of touch or unrealistic and I think they have shown they have the resources to do it.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
They're going through different times right now due to Tucker flaming out after a good season, but they are on par with Penn State in the modern era, they have essentially split the series with Michigan over the past 15 years (MSU actually has an edge over that time) and they've won the B1G 3 times since 2007 with only 3 losing seasons (not including COVID season), two of which came under Tucker.

Basically, I don't think the expectations you laid out are out of touch or unrealistic and I think they have shown they have the resources to do it.
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PSU has won national championships and only wins 6-8 games if they're in Sandusky rebuild hell. They are not on par. MSU is closer to Pitt than Penn State.
 
Buffnik said:
PSU has won national championships and only wins 6-8 games if they're in Sandusky rebuild hell. They are not on par. MSU is closer to Pitt than Penn State.
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Yeah, and CU is a better program than Oregon because we've won more National Titles. Come one Nik. Nobody is comparing jobs and expectations in 2024 with success had in the 1980s.

Under Dantonio (13 years), MSU averaged 8.7 wins/year missed one bowl game and had one losing season. They won the B1G East 4 times and BIG conference championship 3 times with 1 playoff appearance and finished ranked in the top 15 six times.

Under Franklin (9 seasons excluding COVID year), PSU averaged 9.3 wins/year with no losing seasons (three 6-6 seasons). They won the B1G East once and B1G conference championship once with 0 playoff appearances and finished in the top 15 five times.

MSU is obviously going through a different time right now, but they are every bit the program that PSU is in the modern era of college football.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yeah, and CU is a better program than Oregon because we've won more National Titles. Come one Nik. Nobody is comparing jobs and expectations in 2024 with success had in the 1980s.

Under Dantonio (13 years), MSU averaged 8.7 wins/year missed one bowl game and had one losing season. They won the B1G East 4 times and BIG conference championship 3 times with 1 playoff appearance and finished ranked in the top 15 six times.

Under Franklin (9 seasons excluding COVID year), PSU averaged 9.3 wins/year with no losing seasons (three 6-6 seasons). They won the B1G East once and B1G conference championship once with 0 playoff appearances and finished in the top 15 five times.

MSU is obviously going through a different time right now, but they are every bit the program that PSU is in the modern era of college football.
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Dantonio level was peak MSU. Franklin is not peak PSU.
 
Buffnik said:
Dantonio level was peak MSU. Franklin is not peak PSU.
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It probably is going forward for PSU. Even under Paterno going back to the late 90's, PSU was mostly good, with only a couple years of great sprinkled in. I mean, Paterno only won 3 conference championships in 19 years once joining the Big 10, had four losing seasons, and averaged 8.5 wins/year during that stretch.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
As we are witnessing right now when they hired a sexual deviant. The original assertion of it not being a good job is misguided, IMO. It's a tier 2 B1G job.
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Good job, but not a job where sustained success is easy, which I think is part of Nik's point. The expectations do tend to outpace reality. I think a lot of jobs in the SEC and Big Ten fall into this group.
 
Duff Man said:
Good job, but not a job where sustained success is easy, which I think is part of Nik's point. The expectations do tend to outpace reality. I think a lot of jobs in the SEC and Big Ten fall into this group.
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That's fair. We'll see with Jonathan Smith.

Furthering this expectation vs resources job grading, assuming the admin and fan support remains the same at CU post-Prime, where do you rank the CU job among the other Big 12 jobs?
 
Buffnik said:
MSU wasn't and isn't a good job. I believe that Saban is their only coach to ever have a winning record his 1st 3 years on the job.
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That's a very generous way to depict his first 3 seasons at MSU.

For the record, these were his first four seasons:

6-5-1
6-6
7-5
6-6

So, over that 4 year span he was 2.5 games over .500.

In year 5 he went 9-2, and Sparty finished #9.

Which he promptly parlayed into the LSU job.
 
Big Jim said:
I'm interested to see how Jonathan Smith does at MSU. I've thought he was a nice HC for his alma mater, he fit their ethos. I've also thought he would struggle outside of Corvallis. Taking the MSU seemed like a bit of a desperation move as OSU is now a G5 program and he had to jump this hiring cycle.
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He built Oregon State into a bit of a bully that legitimately competed with Utah, Oregon and USC in the Pac 12. He built it into a B1G style team with fewer resources and worse recruiting grounds than MSU will provide. I don't know that he's ever going to challenge for a B1G championship, but I also don't know if Washington, USC, Wisconsin, Iowa, or Penn State will ever legitimately challenge for one without divisions going forward either.
 
Big Jim said:
I'm interested to see how Jonathan Smith does at MSU. I've thought he was a nice HC for his alma mater, he fit their ethos. I've also thought he would struggle outside of Corvallis. Taking the MSU seemed like a bit of a desperation move as OSU is now a G5 program and he had to jump this hiring cycle.
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I think Smith was angling for the UCLA job as his top choice.
 
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