Maybe, but the Pac10 has a lot more options that they would pursue prior to CSU IMO
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TCU's Patterson: Be careful what you wish for BYU.
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Maybe, but the Pac10 has a lot more options that they would pursue prior to CSU IMO
No way. A large part of this move was not wanting to play second fiddle to Utah. Staying does nothing for them.
CsquaredCC
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Agreed. BYU being the most obvious choice IMO.
Green energy research & development will not provide the kind of industry base you'll need. It's an extremely small component of the economy, and it's nearly 100% dependent upon government subsidies for it's very existence. That's not a solid business model. I'd go shotgun approach, personally, trying to get as many different industries as possible.
Those 45,000 alums won't drive 40 miles north to watch their team play in Ft. Fun. Only 1,900 of them are members of the Ram Club. They don't buy tickets or monetarily support their program.
The Pac 10 is not going to come for CSU.
BYU is a non-starter with the Pac. Never gonna happen.
CsquaredCC
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I am impartial to the micro-brew industry myself. Lots and lots of micro-brew type industries.
CsquaredCC
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As it stands today. Yes - I agree with you. I think the conversation has shifted to a more long term outlook which was Sackman's point. The University is trying to get itself in a position 20 years down the road.
Ain't no way the Pac ever takes BYU. Ain't gonna happen. Ever. Honestly, CSU has a better shot at membership in the Pac than BYU does.
It would help CSU's cause considerably over the next 10 years to start scheduling a lot of Pac teams and Mack 10 teams. This is what CU did. In the last 20 years, we've played every single team in the Pac 10 at least twice. That needs to be part of CSU's strategy. Play them. Beat them if you can, but definitely play them. Travel well to their stadiums.
Mick Ronson
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CSU is never going to be in the Pac X. they bring nothing to the table. bad football attendance, bad basketball.
walk the 16th street mall in Denver, ever see Rammie gear? not often.
walk the 16th street mall in Denver, ever see Rammie gear? not often.
CsquaredCC
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I don't understand the Pac-12's stance on BYU at all. It is a fantastic program that recruits well and averages over 65,000 fans a game. Dumb in my opinion, but you guys could be right.
The scheduling is a serious issue right now and needs to be addressed. That is one of my biggest criticisms of the administration right now. We can compete with the likes of KSU, ISU, Baylor, Washington State, and others. Get them on the schedule!
Best thing the area could do to attract business would be to do a major expansion of the Ft. Collins-Loveland airport and build a hotel and office part as part of the expansion. Airports draw business.
Also, the area needs to marketed as a region with 2 significant universities plus lower cost of living than the Denver metro and great natural beauty. I'd re-brand it as the Ft. Collins-Loveland-Greeley Triangle.
CsquaredCC
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High speed rail spanning the I-25 corridor would be a huge boon as well, but that takes a ton of investment from the state and is probably 50+ years away.
Well, you did have the home/home with Cal a couple years ago, and I think you went down to Arizona 5 or 6 years ago, but outside of that, I haven't seen much from CSU in terms of scheduling. If they're serious (which I doubt, frankly), they need to play a Pac team or a Mack 10 team every year, in addition to the Weber States, Idahos, and Southern Utahs of the world. And the Pac team needs to be somebody other than CU.
You don't understand why a group of universities that are billion dollar enterprises don't want an affiliation with a university that restricts academic freedom of professors and students, doesn't offer anything in graduate research prestige or partnering opportunities, and also plows millions of dollars into things like Prop 8 which go completely counter to the cultural beliefs of the current member institutions? All so BYU can add (maybe) $500k a year to each member's athletic department revenues?
You really don't get this?
UrbanaBuff
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We were talking about the MWC (not the Big XII) recruiting Houston, Rice or SMU.
Don't forget that TCU already delivers the DFW market for the MWC, probably way more than SMU does. It is true that Rice and SMU are pretty damn irrelevant, any way you slice it. So I just assume that Rice's Top 20 academic ranking may be the trump card.
Don't forget that TCU already delivers the DFW market for the MWC, probably way more than SMU does. It is true that Rice and SMU are pretty damn irrelevant, any way you slice it. So I just assume that Rice's Top 20 academic ranking may be the trump card.
CsquaredCC
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I understand the politics of it, but I also thought this whole expansion thing was about t.v. dollars. BYU brings a national audience.
Agreed. The airport up there has the capacity to expand significantly. DIA continues to set new passenger records. No reason why Ftc/Lov can't get a slice of that pie.
They won't be interested in CU/CSU game because no one wants to watch it nationally. No offense to CSU, but CU has got to dump that game and replace it with NU. CU gains nothing from that game. CSU gains everything. Regardless of how it plays out on the field.
Also, there is no reason for the PAC 12 to "lockdown" the Denver TV market. CU is not competing for TV audience with CSU. CU commands the Denver TV airwaves and radio airwaves (over CSU). There may be plenty of CSU alumni around, but the passion for the program is not there like CU. The only time CSU fans show up is for the CU game.
The Mack 10 could argue that CSU brings the Denver TV market. That is all they need in negotiation.
Houston's the prize. 3rd largest university in the state of Texas. Plus they've got impressive history in football, basketball, track, baseball and golf.
The Pac is a different animal. If it's the Mack 10 we're talking about, you're right. I think they'd love to add BYU. The Pac figures it will get those TV sets with the addition of Utah anyway. So while the expansion thing is, indeed, about TV dollars, I honestly don't believe the rest of the member institutions in the Pac are willing to compromise their academic principles to allow an association with BYU.
CsquaredCC
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and are building a brand new state of the art stadium.
Thery're also just a general pain in the ass to work with. The no playing on sunday's a big part of it.
I will continue to maintain that if they were offered a spot in the Pac, that whole "no playing on Sundays" thing would magically evaporate. The LDS has a history of compromising their stated principles if the money is right. (e.g. multiple marriages, blacks in the church, etc.).
Pardon me... but I am from Philadelphia... and I have no FING clue which teams are the Mountain West and which teams are in the Western Athletic Conferences.....
It's not just you, that's probably about 99% of the East Coast. :huh:
Houston is jack-squat down here (all of Texas, not just Austin). It may be the 3rd largest university, but people honestly care more about Texas State in San Marcos than they do about Houston. Houston is no prize and does nothing to help any supposed "market share."
Also, apologies to being late in the game, I've been stuck on TDY in Memphis for the last two weeks and just now read about the MWC adding Fresno and Nevada. Looks like they're headed back to the days when they were the 16 team WAC. A small part of me feels sorry for Hawaii in this whole mess.
The rumor mill is going nuts around here. I heard everything from BYU is getting cold feet, to "if it weren't for the other sports (Basketball), this deal is done yesterday".
Utah state fans are pissed. Apparently, Utah State TURNED DOWN a invite to the MWC, but turned it down based on the fact it believed BYU was coming as a affiliate (part of the understanding was that BYU would play Utah State on a semi-regular basis), and the other WAC schools were committed to staying because of the 5 mil buyout fee (which nobody can address how the hell Fresno and Nevada are going to pay that).
Utah state fans are pissed. Apparently, Utah State TURNED DOWN a invite to the MWC, but turned it down based on the fact it believed BYU was coming as a affiliate (part of the understanding was that BYU would play Utah State on a semi-regular basis), and the other WAC schools were committed to staying because of the 5 mil buyout fee (which nobody can address how the hell Fresno and Nevada are going to pay that).
I feel the same way about the Colonial and the Atlantic 10...