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2009-2011 Recruiting review of why CU is 1-10

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Gold, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. Gold

    Gold Well-Known Member

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    Disclaimer: I've witnessed the Hawaii opener, Stanford last year, and Fresno State up close and personal, and I can assure you these guys have no idea what the F they're doing on the sidelines.

    However, to understand the situation, you have to analyze the recruiting from class to class. It comes down to how Hawk not only had some massive attrition + mediocre recruits who've seen the field from the 2009 and 2010 classes, but Embree also had massive attrition from his first class (2011) and has played mediocre recruits of his own. The equation doesn't lie - we're not fielding talented teams, we're not keeping a majority of our recruiting classes, and we're not employing good coaches. Result, utter disaster.

    2012 recruiting class has so far been the only glimmer of hope as most of those recruits have stayed, and none appear to out and out suck quite yet, so that's good. But lot of unknowns in that class. Embree, or whoever takes over, has to have the 2013 class be equally committed to CU after enrolling and also have them at a minimum play to their potential, but more likely above their potential, to even get back to .500 football. Some might have to have genetic experimentation to infuse sufficient football skills that will require scientific expertise way beyond current capabilities will allow.


    2009:
    Total commit size - 20
    Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 8 (40%)
    Bakhtiari, Bonsu, Handler, Harris, Kasa, Moten, Orms, D. Webb

    Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 12
    Darden, Evans, Grossnickle, Jefferson, Nobriga, Nuckols, Olatoye, Simmons, Simon, Thorton, Ussery, West


    2010:
    Total commit size - 24
    Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 10 (42%)
    Bell, Hirshman, T. Jones, Lewis, Munyer, Poston, Richardson, Slavin, T. Smith, Uzo-Diribe

    Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or do nothing - 14
    Canty, Castor, Clark, Crabb, Duncan, Favors, Griffon, Harringon, Tr. Jones, Mobley, Poole, Richter, Torres, Williams


    2011:
    Total commit size - 23
    Total number of players to contribute on a consistent basis - 11 (48%)
    Daigh, Greer, Henderson, McCulloch, Nembot, Oliver, Parker, Spruce, Cotner (benefit of doubt), Mustoe (benefit of doubt), Kelley (benefit of doubt)

    Total number of players to infrequently contribute, leave or likely do nothing based on game days - 12
    Asiata, Burnette, Clark, Creer, Dorman, Goodson, Hall, Harlos, Harrington, Tuumalo, Vincent, Washington


    There you have it. That's essentially our team categorized into 1. are you helping? or 2. are you taking up space? Embree has already had a disaster of a recruiting class in 2011 with just 48% likely contribute meaningful football. Don't confuse "contributed on a consistent basis" with 1. actually being a Pac-12 talent and 2. saw starter quality minutes. A lot of the contributors couldn't play for Hackensack State CC. But if you're going to categorize a player like Greer, or Moten, guys who aren't starters but you see their jerseys on the field for enough time on Saturday, they have thrown into the contributing bucket based on game action. How useful they actually are is entirely up for debate.

    So long story short, regardless of who we bring in, and I'm all for firing Embree/never hiring Embree, we're f'ed unless the 2012 class turns out to have a majority of stars and they stick around for the later half of their careers, and the subsequent 2013 and 2014 classes share the same consistency. If neither of those things happen, then it will really take a miracle for CU to be worth a damn on Saturdays.
     
  2. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    So you'd agree the fastest way to turn this around is to throw a fair amount of money at a high-visibility name coach, that would attract decent recruits sooner than later?
     
  3. Gold

    Gold Well-Known Member

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    100%. The fastest way to speed up the recovery is with better incoming recruiting talent. That means a higher profile coach. And a higher profile coach means having a coach with prior success as a HC, OC, DC, etc. Not the time to be emotional about handing out the pink slips, this is business.

    Would have been great if Embree turned out like Boyle. He clearly didn't. Listening to the two, it's obvious why they turned out as they did. Boyle is an intelligent business man/aspiring CEO. Embree was/is middle management.
     
  4. DBT

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    I kind of thought the 2012 class was, while not great, a solid class to build around. A class that would provide depth. And I think they are. Problem is, with the lack of talent at the skill positions, and the apparently failure this cycle to bring those guys in, it just does not look good. And, like you say, the coaching staff just doesn't seem to have the ability to coach up mediocre talent.
     
  5. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    The next coach is going to inherit a huge mess along the OL. Good skill position players, outside of QB, can be found relatively quickly (this staff has mostly failed), but the OL takes a few good classes to develop actual depth.
     
  6. Buffalo Brad

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    This is why it is so important to get the coaching change this year. This class, outside of Sefo, is going to be close to a throw away. A second throw away class next year will make the recovery period much much longer. Being behind in BCS/PAC 12 talent combined with 2 very poor classes will be devastating to the rebuilding process. I just hope that the Admin pulls thir collective head out and makes the moves that need to be made.
     
  7. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    I like the effort for a first post.

    Also, recruiting has been bad under this staff outside of 2012. Really bad.
     
  8. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Yeah. At first, I thought AD plant, but then I was like, "whoa...this guy has just posted more relevant facts than the rest of Allbuff posters not named jgisland, combined for the last year." He seems like a keeper from my newb perspective.
     
  9. White_Rabbit

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    You never know. He still might be a plant, but decided to rail on the 2011 class to throw us off the trail. Clever this one.
     
  10. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Can't be a plant, because he didn't identify with our view point but then mention other people boosters who set him straight.

    The plants say things like, "well, at first I was miffed that they ran a QB sneak on 1st and 10, dog-gone, but then the good fan behind me pointed out that the refs had made a mistake on their initial call. Now, I'm not saying I'm not angry, but now I understand what happened (with the implication that we, as good readers should too)".
     
  11. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Possibly. I'm constantly paranoid, though. He'll have to post an email straight from himself to Bohn demanding Embree be fired before I completely trust him.
     
  12. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    The next coach is going to need some jucos
     
  13. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I need to see him do meth.
     
  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Pure gold, Gold.

    Welcome to the board.
     
  15. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    Agree, a real Buff would have hit that fan in the row behind him with a piss balloon or a marshmallow with nails in it. Then yelled **** you! And finally pointed at the ****sucker and yelled YOU!
     
  16. JimmyBuff

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    Good report for 1st post. I did the 2008 recruiting report after last season and showed how bad it was. I think I'll do the same for 2009 this yr.
     
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  17. o_robbie

    o_robbie I don't think before I post

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    Our recruiting has been horrific. I think I stated on a different thread that I thought we lacked the talent to compete with top D2 teams. I still think North Dakota St. absolutely clobbers us in talent.

    Note: I do think Embree and EB struck gold with their hit on Powell. He is going to be a good player for the Black and Gold for the next 4 years and I think he looks like he could be a NFL type player.
     

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