If EVERYTHING is on Apple they would not.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Agree. Used to read Wilner much more when he had sources. And no was less biased. He’s out of the loop now IMO. And it frustrates him. He subtweeted Marchand on Apple story.
So what if the deal is all clown shoes and grapefruit juice?
Either scenario is as likely as the other.
* as long as it doesn't include a 99 year GOR like the B12 just did to their member schools
If you think this, then why are you freaking out?
Well then they could go to the Big 12 or go independent. Which is why they would sign.
They aren't going to the Big 12 for $5m and getting locked into a GOR.
The (awful) Big 12 grant of rights is the one factual piece of information we do have. And people ignore it.
The 99-year agreement: In 2012, the Big 12 schools entered into a 99-year agreement to remain together, a deal that comes with an exit fee of two years’ worth of gross revenue. That fee with the expanded playoff, generating another $20 million on top of the $30 million TV deal means any exiting member of the Big 12 would pay $100 million to leave.
The 99-year agreement: In 2012, the Big 12 schools entered into a 99-year agreement to remain together, a deal that comes with an exit fee of two years’ worth of gross revenue. That fee with the expanded playoff, generating another $20 million on top of the $30 million TV deal means any exiting member of the Big 12 would pay $100 million to leave.
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That and if my memory is correct (might not be) the ESPN escalator for P5 additions is 20M per school. So either UW/UO take 20 or all Big 12 teams take less. Neither is happening.
DU plays in something like four different conferences now. Hockey being its own special kind of animal, the NCHC works well, but for things like Lacrosse, Soccer, swimming, etc, DU is all over the place. Did you know, for instance, that DU is a member of the Big 12? (In gymnastics) Having one conference that could cover everything other than hockey would be nice for them, I’m sure.
You're forgetting the FOX component. Adding Oregon and Washington isn't going to reduce the payout to that conference
If swimming, women's gymnastics and lacrosse are on APPLE, we riot.
That 99 year clause is not related to GOR as I read it.
College football is a religion down here. People would by it in the South. Ironically, I think a strong percentage of people would buy it simply to watch Prime. No exaggeration, someone asks me about CU daily, whether that's co-workers, clients, friends I've met down here. Last weekend I was wearing a CU hat and a girl was fascinated about talking about CU. Prime's even helping me with girls!
Fox has no escalators for additional teams.
Fantastic summary - thank you.
That is fascinating. I've been working over the assumption if CU and the other 3 Four Corner schools jumped to the B12, you might be better off for now, but you just ****ed yourself in the long term if the B1G or SEC ever started giving us the side eye.
There has to be more to it than that, otherwise any talk of adding P5 teams to the Big 12 wouldn't be a thing, for either side.
You've gotta admit that there's something perversely funny about Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Nebraska, and Mississippi State having much more lucrative media deals than the snobs at Oregon and Washington have now and will likely have for the foreseeable future. The reason it's only perversely funny and not outright hilarious is that CU is in the same boat.
It isn’t a thing outside of Twitter.
You could ask to renegotiate but ask the ACC how well that would go.
Brett Yormark pursuing Pac 12 programs is certainly a thing that is not made up on Twitter. And that isn't happening if the entire league would be taking less money if it happened.
But it might be hot air from Yormark with no real interest from P12 members and no way for him to do that type of deal within the current B12 contract architecture. It may very well be him fronting to make the B12 look strong while undermining P12 negotiations. We don't know. All I'm certain of is that these types of negotiations have been nasty and the only school I know of that has been honest about intending to leave a Power conference prior to doing so was Colorado when we made the move to the Pac-12. <Edit> Also Mizzou - I remember them lobbying for the B1G and only going SEC when turned down.
idk about exposure and what not, but P12 football on apple would be the freaking dream tbh. Their app is awesome and the streaming quality is top notch. I watched a bunch of their MLB games last season and liked them. It's infinitely easier to just get an apple tv app too rather than god damn P12 network too
The problem would be apple is greedy af so I'm not sure they'd just throw money at us, but it'd give them content which they seem to need
The problem would be apple is greedy af so I'm not sure they'd just throw money at us, but it'd give them content which they seem to need
The national media would have already snuffed that out by now and removed Pac 12 programs as an option for the Big 12 if that were the case.
The same national media that kept putting forth BYU and Boise State as potential Pac-12 expansion candidates? I think you give them too much credit.
That said, I absolutely believe there was truth to the B12 reaching out at the time they jumped the line and re-negotiated early. They were certainly exploring a Big 16 through current Pac-12 members and those Pac-12 members would have wanted to know their options after the USC/UCLA news hit.
What Apple should do is buy exclusive rights to the Pac 12 and have a subscription OPTION to for an NFL Red Zone type of set up. With 12 teams (assuming SMU and SDSU are added), 3 games in the early window going on simultaneously, 2 games the afternoon window and the premier game of the week in the prime time window. Basic access to Apple TV gets you whatever game you want with commercials, but the Red Zone option for $100/season gets you commercial free coverage of all the games like NFLRZ.
Kliavkoff to the Pac-12 presidents:
