Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NashBuff, Nov 19, 2010.
Unfortunately, right now, it only applies to Colorado community colleges. Hopefully they can expand it down the line to out of state community colleges.
Awesome, more money for CU because obviously the State is going provide CU with the funds to handle this influx of new in-state students right...oh wait...
Also this is going to do GREAT things for us in the various rankings where incoming student GPA, test scores, and % of applicants accepted are inputs to the positional rankings. This is going to sound elitist but this is not going to much good for national perception of the value of a CU degree. Although the article is somewhat unclear as to whether the mandate will apply to all CU campuses. It's possible the greatest potential impact will be on the UCCS and UCD campuses.
I think it's great, and applaud the Regents for doing this.
It does not say whether this would apply to all CU campuses - UCD, UCCS, and Boulder. SuperD - I think most of the rankings are based on incoming FRESHMAN numbers, so transfers with an AA degree would not be considered in rankings.
Guaranteeing enrollment to CC students who have 30 TRANSFERRABLE credits AND a 2.7 GPA isn't going to dilute anything. Let's face it, many kids screw up in HS and have to go the CC route. Let's not forever hold that against them if they show they can do the CC work well.
Now we need a couple Colorado community colleges to start playing big boy football against the Kansas JUCOs. Do any of ours play basketball? That could really help our hoops program like it does Iowa State's.
I got into CU as an in-state student with a VERY mediocre HS gpa -- 1.9 something, IIRC. Perhaps things have changed.
On one hand, it sounds like this will probably reduce the out-of-state monies to a limited extent, and we always hear about CU's budget crunch. OTOH, CU exists to serve in-state students with a high-quality education, and this helps them to achieve that goal.
Mixed bag, I guess.
Oh I'm not opposed to it. My own brother took a little longer to settle down figure out that he needed to get serious about school after several years of bouncing around and doing non-professional jobs. He transferred in to UCCS this year after going the Juco route and is getting great grades in the engineering program and busting his hump in class way harder than I ever did going the direct from HS route, though academic stuff always came a lot easier for me. If he had tried going straight from HS he either wouldn't have gotten in or would have struggled mightily to succeed. This option is great for folks who either don't have the financial resources right out of HS or who need a little longer to mature or decide what they want to do. My only concerns are A) Funding and B) the arbitrary rankings since so many people seem to put stock in them.
My burrito source says that they almost always accepted these kids anyways and they are just trying to get more of them to apply. Kids who applied as freshmen with 3.5 gpa's and were denied think that if they received a 2.7 at a CC then they will once again not be accepted.
A lot of students don't realize it is much easier to get into CU as a transfer than it is to get in as a freshmen.
Is CU difficult to get into in state?
Much harder than out of state
Do they still use the GPA/Test Score sliding scale thing for in-state students. If I remember right they tried to guarantee admissions for in-state kids at a certain level and the higher your test scores the lower a GPA they were willing to accept. Not sure if that is still the case since its been close to 15 years since I was applying to college.
Simple answer yes. They also use a weighted scale on which classes you are in and a few more things. This calculates out to a ppgpa if that number is in a certain range then you are admitted without a counselor even reviewing the application.
They did some research a number of years back when that administration was fighting against admision of community college students. At that time they found that students who had done their first two years at the community colleges had higher GPAs as jrs. and srs. than the students who had spent their first two years at CU.
With the guaranteed articulation on core courses this isn't really a big change anyways but it makes sense. If the state is paying for the CCs and students are doing the work they should have the option of continuing their educations without jumping through hoops.
For football players it is a different thing because CU and the state have no control over the quality of the content in the classes they take.
Goddamnit. They have seriously thrown academics out the window. UCCS actually has higher standards than us at this point. The Regent's goal to become Iowa (minus commitment to sports) is awesome...
Don't freak out. Seriously the only thing that has really changed is the fact that they are now saying this outside of the CU Admissions circle.
What the **** are you talking about?
Yes. The guy (from my high school in Colorado) I was planning on rooming with freshman year didn't get in with a solid ACT score and GPA; the guy I ended up rooming with was from Mountain Brook, Alabama. He asked me to proof-read one of his papers once. Holy **** was it awful.
quick someone send the article to Shaun Simon.
I went from a CC to CU, a nice little school in Grand Junction.
LOL.. Overreaction much? California has the same kind of deal with its community colleges. I don't think the degree at UCLA and Cal is anything less because of it. Not everyone is mature enough to go away to a 4 year college right after high school.
i've taught over 1000 students at CU....and some of the best students i've had were transfers from Metro or Front Range. they do the work and they care. they lack the ridiculous sense of entitlement that so many CU students do have. One of my best friends went to Front Range and transferred to CU....he's a rich mother****er living in Sonoma County designing houses for the ruling class with his CU ENVD degree. He spends about half the year climbing mountains in Bhutan or fishing in the Philippines.
GJHS is a good school, but I'm not sure it's technically a CC....
Go Tigers!! Beat Regis!!!
is CSU still considered a community college?
Q - What do every student at CU and CSU have in common?
A - They applied to go to CU.
For any of you who think this devalues your degree from CU-Boulder, doesn't this simply guarantee a spot in the CU system, so it could just guarantee them a spot at CU-Denver or CU-CS? In California when you apply to the UCs, if you're rejected by one specific UC you apply to yet you meet the guaranteed enrollment criteria, they'll reroute you to one of the less desirable schools. Case in point, Berkeley rejected me out of HS but they rerouted my application to UC-Riverside where it was guaranteed I would be accepted.
Like a few others have said, I wouldn't worry about the value of your CU degree. The UC system has a similar thing in place, the TAG agreement (Transfer admission guarantee). I'm not sure of the GPA required for it, but from what I remember it wasn't a difficult thing. Take a list of classes, complete them, and you're guaranteed admission.
Woo back to CU I go. But some friends are now considering CU for a 1st time because of this
This should help with the elitist tag CU has locally.
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