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Darian Hagan Talks Recruiting

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  1. BuffClass90

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    Darian Hagan Talks Recruiting

    Great article. He says that in both Embree recruiting classes, they pretty much got everyone they went after. There weren't any second tier guys, but there were some guys that really distinguished themselves with more film or at a camp. This makes me more comfortable with the recruiting, even if we didn't get a bunch of 4* guys.

    He also says the staff is pretty confident they're going to a bowl game and that the speed and athleticism is light years beyond Pigeon's teams.

    Hagan has some insight into Pigeon's teams, about how they had to "be positive" with players about their abilities, even though they really weren't good enough. This blew up in their faces more than once apparently. Yeah, lying will do that to you. No knock on Hagan...he was doing what he was told. Now players know where they stand. Can't stand that Zen bull****! The truth is way better than "being positive".

    And new kids to watch for: Solis, Webb, Crawley, Wright, Tupou, Thomas. All I hear about Crawley is that he is lights out and will probably start as a true freshman. This guy will be a Thorpe Award finalist and/or winner in a few years...you heard it here first :nod:
     
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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    It is a good read.

    That whole thing about no second tier guys is spin though.
     
  3. Darth Snow

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    no, man, like, they just, you know, re-evaluated them once they saw them in person sometimes, and, you know, didn't want those guys anymore.
     
  4. J.R. Ewing

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    Most of the guys we landed were 2nd tier guys. However, unlike HaLk's classes, we didn't land any tier 4 guys.
     
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    Interesting take on Buddhism. Not very accurate, however.

    I think your beef is with D2D and his lack of understanding and inaccurate use of Zen concepts.

    For what it's worth.
     
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    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yep. Being hyper-aware in the present moment (mindfulness) and focusing on doing things the right way (process-oriented) are good concepts for a football team. The crap about creating self-esteem through constant positive reinforcement isn't Zen, it's debunked popular psychology that screwed up a football team. Self-esteem is created through personal achievement, not external praise.
     
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    fify
     
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    "Second tier" was my term, not in the article. I'm just pleased they didn't take guys they weren't originally impressed with. And that we have much more speed and athleticism.

    And BTW...I wasn't dissing Buddhism, just Hawk's pop psychology/metaphysical BS.
     
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    I think the problem was that Hawkins was a self-described "Zen Master" even though he was master of nothing - he just threw out a bunch of BS to see what would stick. He like to mis-quote the great philosophers to pretend he had some great insight into life. The guy was a total fraud.
     
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    He misquoted philosophers?
     
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    BnG is right, the guy used to find some obscure quote, and try to make himself sound erudite. When he finally got canned, he had some quote from Mark Twain he rattled off. The next original thought the guy has will be his first.
     
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    That's great that our speed and athleticism has improved greatly. It needed it desperately. Oregon and USC will still make us look slow, but hopefully we can keep up with other PAC teams and keep trending that direction.
     
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    Yeah, USC and Oregon are the gold standards for the PAC XII. If we go to a bowl game this year, we will start getting some elite 4* and 5* talent interested in CU. Until then, we have to be the best team since we won't have the best players.
     
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    And we aren't going to get near as many 4 and 5 guys. We just need to make sure our lower star guys are fast and then trust our couches can teach them the skills they lack. Talented slow players don't help much when going against talented fast players.
     
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    Ummmmmmmmmmmm Ummmmmmmmmmmm Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Sorry, just needed a moment of inner reflection there.
     
  16. Buffenuf

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    Self esteem comes OTHERS telling you how great you are, irrespective of actual achievement.

    Self respect come from actual personal achievement!

    Two far differing concepts.
     
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    Inner reflecting on that bowl of ice cream? So sorry, Grasshopper, proper mantra is "Oooooooooom"! (With the accent on the "O")
     
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    Better yet is the mantra: "Shama lama ding dong"...with the accent on the "do...........Oh never mind!
     
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    Nope. Self Esteem should not be defined as an external concept. Childhood development experts are working hard to change the way teachers work on that concept. In my son's preschool, for example, if a kid asks if his/her painting is done or good the teacher will reply by asking the kid if he/she is happy with it rather than saying that it's beautiful. They won't tell the kid whether it's done or suggest more blue or whatever. If you want a person to develop self esteem, it has to come from self. And that only comes from knowing internally that you tried your hardest, did your best, and accomplished what you set out to do. You can't instill self esteem by constantly saying, "Great job".

    Self Esteem is not a false confidence. And it's not something that others can give to you.
     
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    Interesting read for a Wed. morning, good points tho Nik.
     
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    well, interesting outlook Nik. Given that type of feedback, How is your son supposed to find out when he did a ****** job?
     
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    I still think season one of Dan Hawkins All-Access show was by far the weirdest TV of all time. meglomaniac is the word that comes to mind. that and a bad football team listening to very very bizarre speeches about slaying dragons and the crucible. Barney's players staring at their shoes or the ceiling. ouch.
     
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    He knows when he meets the back of my hand.
     
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    A combination of new techniques built on the foundation of old and proven disciplinary structure. I like it.
     
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    :lol:

    Seriously, though, kids are so eager to please. It's more a matter of coaching them down from that so that they're self-motivated and derive satisfaction from a task based on self-evaluation instead of waiting for praise. You brought up laziness and low standards, really. That's going to develop out of telling a kid that everything he/she does is wonderful. It's a constant process of setting standards based on what the kid has achieved before and is capable of reaching for. On praise, for instance, if we're shooting hoops I say "nice shot" when he makes one but I also make sure to say "getting closer. keep trying" when he's obviously working versus just saying "good job" every time no matter what he does. I also constantly remind him of his "11-in-a-row" record and challenge him to beat it. I stop playing with him if he goofs off. Invariably, he'll start trying hard again and call me over to be involved again based on his renewed effort.
     
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    Sorry, I disagree. This sums up my position:
    "There has been great focus on self-esteem in pop psychology. Unfortunately, as is often the case with popular buzz words the public grabs hold of, the understanding tends to be superficial. Self-esteem is not self-respect. We consider there to be very marked difference between the two.

    Self-esteem is based in what you think.

    Self-respect is based on what you do.


    Here's problem that the gurus of self-esteem never bother to mention. Self-esteem is based on the same process that robs you of it. Namely how you are thinking.

    On the other hand: Self-respect is based on demonstrable facts. Facts that, although they are created and influenced by you, exist independent of you. Facts that are not subject to change unless you actively enact that change by your actions.

    Why Is Self-Respect More Reliable Than Self-Esteem?

    A trend in pop-psychology is to move away from 'shame.' Shame and self-esteem are closely linked in pop-psych/self-help circles. The basic message is that if you can get rid of guilt and shame, your self-esteem will rise to new height and your live will be so much better.

    Except for one little issue. As we like to say:

    Charley Manson has great self-esteem."
     
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    Seriously, WTF does that mean? To use the example, I imagine Charles Manson had a ton of self respect; and one would have a heck of a time demonstrating to him FACTS that would change that. His self respect, like everyone else's, is a product of his own views and values. Hence the term "self." Respect of your peers, your family, society at large... now those are different matters.
     
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    Self-Esteem = esteem for self (i.e., having a positive or negative view of yourself)

    Self-Respect = respect for self (i.e., accepting yourself and placing value on that)

    Both are important. And both should be driven through internal versus external forces. If either is driven by external forces, the foundation is weak and the consequences are severe.

    My point is that that there has been societal buy-in on external self-esteem, while only internal self-esteem can create that deep and lasting foundation.

    In the end, the endpoint is really Self-Actualization -- which comes about from having built the right foundation of Self-Esteem and Self-Respect.
     
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    I started to wonder a bit about him during his post game interview after the Oklahoma win.
     
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    This thread reminds me of why I majored in finance. Thanks guys. :thumbsup:
     

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