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Discussion of Religion in Recruiting

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by buffaholic, May 18, 2015.

  1. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    To DBT's point, are we only recruiting religious kids or is this how all recruits respond to offers?
     
  2. TimmyDUBs

    TimmyDUBs Dirty haole Club Member

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    My biggest pet peeve of the staff is that it sometimes feels like they're running a church group. I figure that is probably just my godless perspective, though.
     
  3. FLounder

    FLounder The Buffs will rise again! Club Member

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    I believe if a coach who is very religious can recruit a team where he can preach to, the better. Coming from a guy who is agnostic.
     
  4. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Huh? What are you talking about?
     
  5. 4DemBuffs

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    Not an issue.
     
  6. The Ogre

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    If it's a niche that helps build the program and coaches are careful not to be exclusive to other players, I don't have a problem with it. Other programs push hookers and blow, the straight laced boys need somewhere to call home, too.
     
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  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    HCMM is religious. Makes sense that he is more likely to connect with religious guys. I haven't seen anything to indicate that religiousness is something that has any influence on whether a prep is recruited or not. HCMM spent enough time in the NFL to know that a locker room has all kinds of personalities and backgrounds... and that's a good thing. The important thing to focus on is "football character" -- whether a guy loves the game, puts in the work, responds to coaching, rallies when faced with adversity, etc. He knows his job is not to put together a boy's choir, it's to win football games.
     
  8. DBT

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    He's referring to my post in the recruiting thread about all the recruits who have received an offer saying they are blessed to get an offer from CU. I'm a Christian but it started to ring a bit, I don't know, patronizing maybe. But I think I was a bit harsh. I'm sure they are truly proud and take the offer as a complement.
     
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  9. skinsfan55

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    I'm not really religious, but heck... if CU's glory days were led by a guy who eventually quit coaching because God wanted him to spend more time with his wife, maybe it's worth re-visiting.
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    fwiw, despite not being religious I will say things like "I feel blessed". Usually that's a religious way of speaking, but not always. Sometimes it's more like saying "fortunate" but meaning it in a deeper & more humble way than "fortunate" conveys.
     
  11. tante

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    I don't understand your post. Unless he is extremely religious, then religion is just one of many ways he could connect with someone and i would argue football is the biggest way he connects with people.
     
  12. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    We're saying the same thing, although I probably think him being a person of faith has more impact with many recruits than you think it does.
     
  13. tante

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    Yeah that part makes no sense. I thought the staff evaluated the players and made the offers. I can't imagine HCMM tells his staff to only give offers to religious kids. I can't even see his staff asking kids that question.
     
  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I can't imagine that either.

    Coaches talk about themselves, tante. They have to let the recruit and his parents/guardians/mentors know who is going to be looking out for him the next 3-5 years of his life. Coaches who are persons of faith usually bring it up when having that conversation (and some who aren't will pretend to be). I'm talking about recruits who are religious being more likely to respond to HCMM extra positively due to this. I certainly don't believe that HCMM is telling assistants to target religious kids in recruiting. In fact, I said that I don't believe for a second that such targeting is going on.
     
  15. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    Do assistant coaches do that on the recruiting trail? So are they going to players houses and talk to the parents on this current trip? And are you saying that all the coaches are as religious as HCMM or they just mention that to the recruit and their parents. I just don't see anything like that happening.
     
  16. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    So it's your contention that religion doesn't come up on the recruiting trail?

    It does.

    Quite often.
     
  17. tante

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    I don't think it does at this point. How many schools and players have the coaches seem in the last few weeks. I don't see them trying to work religion into the conversation. I especially don't think that HCMM targets religious guys because he connects with them more.
     
  18. Buffnik

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    To the bold -- I don't either.
     
  19. MtnBuff

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    There is no reason to select who you recruit or don't recruit based on religion. If you do it's not much different than recruiting based on race or other factors that really don't have any impact on if a kid can play or not. It's hard enough to win without mixing in other issues that don't matter.

    At the point however that the staff determines that a kid can play and that they have reason to believe they can successfully recruit him then religion does become an issue if it is an issue to the kids.

    For kids who are non-religious and come from families where religion doesn't play a big role it is important to insure that the kid understands that his desire not to be involved in religion will be respected.

    A bigger factor is with the kids for whom religion is an important part of their lives. They want to know that their beliefs and practices will be respected and not hindered and that they will be in a climate where they can comfortable live by their values.

    As far as the "Blessed" tag I would agree that it originates from a religious vocabulary but it shouldn't be assumed that it now means a kid is religious. As we have seen many times kids will follow the lead of others without knowing or worrying about the meaning behind it. Just watch how kids imitate the on field/court celebrations that are made popular by the pros. They will imitate hairstyles, clothing, and yes vocabulary. It seems like right now the popular word in announcing offers is blessed, have to wonder how many think of it in a religious way.
     
  20. DBT

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    By my thinking, if you are truly blessed to receive an offer from CU, then you are meant to sign with them or, at the very least, give us serious consideration. But then, I'd imagine these kids say they are blessed every time they receive an offer. I'd preferred they say "honored" or something. When they say "I am blessed" it sounds as if they are truly considering us when many of these kids won't consider CU at all.
     
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  21. BehindEnemyLines

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    I'm pretty certain that this type of response is being conveyed by any number of recruits throughout the country. We're not alone, just seeing it from a Black-n-Gold perspective.
     
  22. tante

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    Sounds like a good project for you. Maybe they aren't posting the same thing every time. Do an analysis of a recruits initial response of an offer matched with their ultimate decision. You can decode these kids responses for us.
     
  23. TDbuff

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    "Blessed" is just twitter/social media speak for feeling fortunate or really just to tell people how sweet your life is. It's a humble way to brag about something. It's lost whatever religious connotation it's supposed to have. Everybody's blessed for every damn thing that happens to them that they need to share with the world.
     
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  24. TSchekler

    TSchekler Darth's Hero Club Member

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    Wait. Are people in this thread really taking the "I feel blessed to receive an offer..." as the recruit/s is/are religious?
     
  25. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I made this thread by moving some strange posts out of a recruit thread. The discussion has not improved. Carry on, weirdos.
     
  26. tante

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    sounds like Darth thinks so and created this thread to encourage discussion on the topic.
     
  27. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    People really wanted to have the discussion, so let them have it here instead of over 5 different recruit threads.
     
  28. DBT

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    Thanks for blessing us with your opinion.
     
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  29. DBT

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    My post in the recruiting thread was tongue-in-cheek, BTW.
     
  30. Darth Snow

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    #trulyblessed
     

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