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if the dominoes start to fall in the big game of conf. musical chairs...

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  1. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    where does everyone land?

    figure CU and utah to the p10.

    can the b10 land texas? huge coup if they can. if not, they'll go with mizzery... i am presuming they can't get the domers.

    where does that leave the b12? hurting bad. if they just have to replace CU and mizzery, then maybe they try to protect tv market by adding 2 north teams--- say byu and csu to the b12 north. if they have to replace texas, it will be ugly. it will be ironic as hell if csu ends up in the b12n playing the fuskers every year. or, maybe (if tex stays) they do shift the okie schools north and then add smu and one other to the south...

    crazy times on the horizon, perhaps.

    the b10 and p10 will be winners in this mess, i think.
     
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  2. Buttermaker

    Buttermaker Active Member

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    What about Arkansas to the Big 12? Probably would be crazy to leave the $$$ in the SEC but I don't think they ever felt like they fit in the SEC.

    Missouri to Big 10, CU to Pac 10. The Big 12 moves OU and OSU to the North and adds Arkansas and one of: TCU, Houston, SMU.

    SEC then adds someone like FSU, Miami, GA Tech?

    I agree we are in for some crazy times and it is all about the money.
     
  3. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Its all about the $. No way Arky leaves the SEC for a now crippled B12.
     
  4. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    UT won't get to go anywhere without it's little bros aTm, TT and Baylor.

    If this goes down, I see CU and Utah, not BYU to the Pac 10. (the mormon no play on Sunday thing fouls up the BB sked.)

    Mizzou and ISU and Pitt go Big 10 *** 14.

    The Big 12 S stays, keep KU, KjSU and NU, adding at least three others UH, SMU, TCU or someother mid-south also ran.

    The Big Least replaces Pitt with somebody like ECU and continues to swirl down as the weakest BCS conference.

    The Mtn. Weenie will pitch Boise or Fresno St. The Wac will fall further into irrelevancy with the SunBelt and Conference USA.

    And somewhere Danny will be smiling, he really will, because his self esteem is not dependent on what you think...it really isn't.
     
  5. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    No one wants ISU, least of all a conference like the Big 10 with equal revenue sharing. Why would each school want to take their money and give it to ISU? ISU does not increase the revenue base of the conference but would take a share of the pie.
     
  6. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    and why is everyone so sure that the b10 wants mizzery so badly? what if they could get the fuskers instead? wouldn't that be better for them as a conference? hell, the fuskers have to be thinking they need to look around if ut and CU and mizzery are all thinking of bolting.

    i hope the b10 "superconference" rumors aren't going to come to pass... if they go to 14 or 16 teams, then the whole world of college football is going to be completely remodeled. you'd have to think the p10 would want to go to 16 in that case too. i think the b12 would cease to exist, basically, replaced by some strange middle-american 16 team superconference.
     
  7. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Missouri brings in the St. Louis TV market along with possibly some of the Kansas City TV market. Additionally, they raise the profile of Big 10 basketball.

    Nebraska certainly brings football clout, but I am not sure what else.
     
  8. Buttermaker

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    Yep - it would snowball real fast if the Big 11 became the Big 14 or 16. If they swing for the fences and get some combo of Misery, kNU, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, etc. then the landscape of college football is permanently changed.

    Incremental expansion (One team to the Big 12, CU and Utah to the Pac 12) does not blow everything up and allows each conference to protect its own little fiefdom.

    The theory about the desire for Missouri is a further push west for a larger geographic footprint, capturing the St. Louis TV market along with a chunk of the Kansas City.
     
  9. sackman

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    *ebraska doesn't bring half the number of TV sets that Missouri brings. Missouri would be a far better fit for the Big 11. Another good fit that nobody is mentioning is Louisville. Add Pitt, Louisville, and Missouri to the Big 11 and that's a strong conference from top to bottom with some big time media markets to boot. The Big 12 might go after UNM and CSU to replace Missouri and CU. That way, they could replace the Denver market (kind of), and add the Albuquerque market while losing the St. Louis market. It's a net loss, but not a deal killer.

    The idea that this is based on on-field/court success misses the point entirely. CU sucks pondwater in everything but skiing, track and cross country. I'm pretty sure the Pac 10 isn't interested in CU because of our cross country prowess.
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Missouri delivers more of Kansas City than Kansas does. Pretty much everything in that city is on the Missouri side.
     
  11. Buttermaker

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    Aren't most people in the city KU grads and it leans a lot more KU b/c of proximity? Don't know, just perception.
     
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    ISU does well in sports other than FB, and is a well-respected ag and science school. Regionally they fit with the B10 pretty well.

    NU's academics are a joke and the Big 10 is just one of the people who get the joke and laugh their asses off. Mizzou is a pretty well respected institution, especially it's J-school. Throw in more people in St. Louis than all of nibletland and it's pretty easy to see why the Big 10 would take Mizzou over the corncobs.....
     
  13. Clean Undies

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    With KC straddling a state line, do the kids on the MO side of KC pay OOS tuition to KU?
     
  14. Razorbuff

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    As an Arkansas grad and a huge Arkansas fan, no way we leave the SEC for the Big 12. Too much money involved, and we do have history with quite a few of the SEC schools (Ole Miss for instance) and are beginning to develop great rivalries with others (LSU). One reason we left the old SWC was total corruption and domination by Texas. Arkansas and Texas were the two top teams in that conference, but if you want to talk about not fitting in, it was definitely us. Nearly every Texas school in that conference received preference and favorable treatment from the corrupt league office. Not saying that doesn't happen in the SEC, but it was way worse in the old SWC, and would be just as bad again if we went to the Big 12. In addition, we have little to no history with any Big 12 North teams, only teams in the South. Just saying it will never happen, much more likely scenario would be TCU.
     
  15. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Exactly. My dad is a Hog Fan. I grew up watching the Hogs, no way they leave the SEC for the B12. Not...Gonna...Happen.

    BTW, I loved the "S...E...C" chants when Richardson was running HogBall all over the SWC. Todd Day where have you gone?
     
  16. Razorbuff

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    Yeah man, May-Day and the Big-O were a little bit before my time, but I vividly remember the back to back title games in 1994 and 1995, and of course the title in 1994. I kind of equate where the basketball program at Arkansas is now to CU football... two once great programs that have been wandering in the dark for a few years.
     
  17. sackman

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    The more things change, it would seem the more they stay the same. UT is the conference killer.
     
  18. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    I guess that makes me an old fart, because I remember watching the original triplets: Ron Brewer, Sidney Moncreif and Marvin Delph run to the Final Four under Eddie Sutton's watch. Arky BB was a beautiful thing to behold for a couple of decades....Love the Big Nasty, Corliss Williamson, Joe Klein was another favorite along with Scott Hastings, although he's pretty mucha douche on the Denver radio now.....
     
  19. Razorbuff

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    It's true, they dominate the Big 12 revenue sharing plan, they will have the conference title game there permanently eventually, and the league offices are in Texas. Yep... conference killing. With Texas politics involved, things can get really nasty.
     
  20. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    $$$$$$$
     
  21. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i dunno... i guess i think what did us in during the formation of the b12 was allowing them to force baylor and tech into the mix. adding all that texas ego and money pretty much screwed things up. maybe we could have controlled 2 texas schools a little better... altho, with the way ut has been able to increase its spending, i don't know that even keeping the other 2 out would have mattered. i do think ut and CU to the p10 back in 94 would have worked great. ut would not have been able to run the conference the way they do now in the b12.
     
  22. Razorbuff

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    Yes it was. An absolutely fantastic basketball tradition. And because of a racist Frank Broyles and his ego, we lost Nolan, and have been average since then. We will be back in basketball eventually, just like CU will in football... it's only a matter of time.
     
  23. Jens1893

    Jens1893 Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Hypothetical

    Pac 12 North - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, CU/Utah or Cal/Stanford

    Pac 12 South - USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Cal/Stanford or Utah/CU

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    Big 12 North - Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

    Big 12 "Texas" - Texas, aTm, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas Christian, Houston
     
  24. Razorbuff

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    I'd personally love to see CU go to the Pac-10 and have the Big 12 dissolve... maybe see Texas get knocked down to size a little bit, especially since I despise the shorthorns. If CU does go though, I would like to see a yearly OOC game with Nebraska, at least keep that tradition going.
     
  25. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    the p12 won't be split into divisions like that. it is politically unworkable because none of the schools want to be in the non-usc/ucla division. this has been widely reported for a long time.

    to get it done, they are going to have try it another way... it will be something like this, i predict: every school plays their traditional rival every year: usc/ucla, uw/wsu, asu/ua, osu/ou, cal/stan, and presumable CU/utah. then, everyone plays probably 9 conference games in total and you rotate through all the non-rival conf. opponents equally so that you only miss any particular team every few years.

    if they were to somehow decide to split into actual divisions, they aren't going to put CU/utah with usc/ucla in any case--- we won't have the political juice for that. but, i don't think they'll do divisions at all.

    as for the b12, your hypothesis is sensible, but it sure doesn't help their tv revenue much.
     
  26. ScottyBuff

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    Here is my big "College re-alignment" domino falling scenario:

    It is still a possibility that the Big Ten invites Nebraska, Missouri AND Kansas. Nebraska has high TV ratings, despite small market, with traditional power in football and would form a great rivalry with Iowa (IMO). Missouri-Kansas combo brings in a long-traditional rivalry game in many sports, and we know the Big Ten loves that; almost as much as it would love the St. Louis and KC markets being locked up. Any more expansion from the Big Ten, most likely would be east after that (Rutgers, Syracuse, if anything). The Texas rumors I think are Longhorn attempts to stir up the SEC into taking them and the Aggies or to show some muscle to teams in the Big 12 North that they are the real prize out of the conference, in order to forestall any leverage attempts by Mizzou/CU to get a more even distribution of conference revenues. I think the SEC might blink and invite the UT/A&M combo if they truly feel the Big Ten will expand to 14 or more teams.

    I think the Pac Ten is going to court CU very aggressively as their options are pretty limited and we could be the foothold to get to a legitimate 12 team conference. Utah is the most logical next school to maintain their geographic connection. I don't think they would expand to 14 just because the Big Ten might; but if they do the only school they would do it for would be to add BYU, and then they would probably go after either New Mexico or UNLV as a basketball program, demographic reach, and possible long-term benefits.

    The leftovers from the Big 12 would then have cherry pick the MWC, WAC, and Conference USA into getting a decent conference put together (probably on par with the Big East, both academically and athletically, hoops notwithstanding).

    I think the expansion thing will be driven by the conferences forming their own networks, the Big Ten and possibly the Pac Ten. NBC is content to just "play" with Notre Dame, CBS has the SEC, and ABC/ESPN have primary position on many of the national games, even for conferences with other contracts. Fox doesn't do college football, and really sucks at bowl games too, so unless they or another large regional (TBS) gets into the game; their really isn't a large pool of suitors out there to pay big bucks for TV rights. And with the affects of the recession on advertising spending that market already looks smaller.

    The Big Ten already has the network, has standards that they have established, and will look to build on their "midwestern roots". Teams like Minnesota and Wisconsin will welcome programs like Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas as they will expect larger crowds, TV ratings, as they would focus playing their divisional opponents moreso than distant outliers like Penn State and Ohio State. The traditional Big Ten powers wouldn't see as much of a change as Michigan, M-State, Ohio State, and Penn State would all be in the same division.

    Texas and A&M would then want desperately to join the SEC, and Oklahoma would push for it as well. The SEC could bring in Oklahoma, OK-State, Texas, and A&M and proceed with forming their own network (which they were close to pursuing when the CBS bucket of cash changed their mind). Moving Bama and Auburn to the eastern division would allow the western division to be the Mississippi river valley teams centered on Arkansas/LSU.

    Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Baylor would then have to form up some type of new conference by joining the MWC or Conference USA or separating and going their separate ways.

    Going to the MWC who just lost Utah would then form a new 12 team conference which could still have a chance at gaining BCS auto-bid status. The MWC could replace the loss of Utah in football by adding Boise State; and then 1 more team like Fresno State to go to 14 as well. This conference would then be dangerously similar in format to the WAC-16 conference but would at least have a chance out of the gate at competing on the field and court. The Mountain TV network would have expanded reach and they would be in a position to take advantage of that, but if they had a few bad years early on, it would doom the conference, although there wouldn't be a lot of alternatives at that point.

    To Recap:
    Pac Ten: adds Utah and Colorado to become the 12 Pac Conference. Conference Championship game is hosted in Glendale which now is at the risk of having the Fiesta Bowl lose BCS status. Possibility of 12-Pac adding UNLV and New Mexico.

    Big 12: dies, or the remaining members "merge" with the MWC, keeping the Big 12 name.

    Big Ten: adds Missouri, Kansas, and Nebraska; forming two 7-team geographic divisions (East/West, splitting Illinois into the West and Northwestern into the East). Conference championship game is hosted in Chicago or Indianapolis.

    SEC: adds Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State; forming two 8-team geographic divisions (East/West, moving Alabama/Auburn into the East). Cotton Bowl becomes another SEC bowl game.

    MWC: merges with the Big 12 remnants, invites Boise State and possibly Fresno State. They continue to fight for BCS inclusion by adding four former BCS programs and replacing Utah with Boise, with a much greater chance now that Fiesta Bowl has ties to the Big 12 which is effectively dead. Fiesta and MWC/Big 12 need each other to survive and probably make it happen. BYU rejoices as they are now a BCS program and forms instant rivalry with little known Mormon hotbed Boise State, while TCU and Texas Tech become instant rivals in the other division. Conference Championship game is hosted in Las Vegas.

    CSU and K-State become rivals as CU forgets them both and creates a "Four Corner" rivalry with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, and possibly New Mexico.

    On January 1st, 2021 The University of Colorado Buffaloes win the Pac 12 Conference Championship game in a blowout of the UCLA Bruins, thus advancing to the Rose Bowl against Big 16 Conference champion Nubraska Cornhuskers. We win 62 to 36 behind a power running game led by Elijah Bienemy.
     
  27. Razorbuff

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    I could see what you are saying with the Big 12, if they lose CU and Mizzou then TCU and Houston make the most sense geographically. A "Texas" division in the south and shifting the Oklahoma schools to the north would be a good move
     
  28. Jens1893

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    i know, dd said as much when the thing was first discussed in december, i think, im just toying around with some ideas
     
  29. Razorbuff

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    I don't think the SEC would take Texas, Oklahoma, and OK State... the member schools would never go for it. It's already the tough enough to get through a single season, having to get up for 7 or 8 games... adding Texas and OU to the equation would be too much. Plus, I don't think they would enjoy playing second fiddle to Bama and Florida
     
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    Wasn't it that former governor of Texas that got Baylor into the mix? Can't remember her name.

    I might be the only CU fan that doesn't care if CU plays the fuskers again. Really have grown tired of that game.
     
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